what amp under a grand?

Well, that is one view and I respect it. Another view is you need more power to open up the speaker, not just to get it loud. I think a 70 watt amp is not ideal for this speaker based on my experience. Sure it will play the speakers very loud, as loud as you ever would want. A more powerful amp will open them up more and play them with a greater sense of space and ease.

Specs can be very, very deceiving and these speakers like power.
Also, do not partner these speakers with an amp that has any tendency towards darkness.

You want a great integrated for these? The Bel Canto i300. It is 150 watts per channel and the speakers drink it up! It is not dark and very fast.

what would the bel canto i300 cost new or used? i can get a used marantz pm 8004 for 350. but i do think in my situation an integrated amp with ht bypass is the way to go.my system is for family as well, used for movies and gaming.if it was just for me an avr would not be in the picture!

Thanks Jug. Well they can be had for $900 to $1000 used. But for $350 and the family I can see the wisdom of where you are going. Sound quality is not everything here. Go for it then with the M.

well 900 would be fine, but where can you find them?

They do show up on the Gon monthly, but none right now.