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What Does Holographic Sound Like?

And how do you get there? This is an interesting question. I have finally arrived at a very satisfying level of holography in my system. But it has taken a lot of time, effort and money to get there. I wish there had been a faster, easier and less expensive way to get there. But I never found one.

Can you get to a high level of holography in your system with one pair of interconnects and one pair of speaker wires? I don't believe so. I run cables in series. I never found one pair of interconnects and speaker wires that would achieve what has taken a heck of a lot of wires and "tweaks" to achieve. Let alone all the power cords that I run in series. Although I have found one special cable that has enabled the system to reach a very high level of holography -- HiDiamond -- I still need to run cables in series for the sound to be at its holographic best.

There are many levels of holography. Each level is built incrementally with the addition of one more wire and one more "tweak". I have a lot of wires and "tweaks" in my system. Each cable and each "tweak" has added another level to the holography. Just when I thought things could not get any better -- which has happened many times -- the addition of one more cable or "tweak" enabled the system to reach a higher level yet.

Will one "loom" do the job. I never found that special "loom". To achieve the best effects I have combined cables from Synergistic Research, Bybee, ASI Liveline, Cardas, Supra and HiDiamond -- with "tweaks" too numerous to mention but featuring Bybee products and a variety of other products, many of which have the word "quantum" in their description.

The effort to arrive at this point with my system has been two-fold. Firstly, finding the right cables and "tweaks" for the system. Secondly, finding where to place them in the system for the best effects -- a process of trial and error. A lot of cables and "tweaks" had to be sold off in the process. I put "tweaks" in quotation marks because the best "tweaks" in my system have had as profound effect as the components on the sound. The same for the best of the cables, as well. For me, cables and "tweaks" are components.

Have I finally "arrived"? I have just about arrived at the best level that I can expect within my budget -- there are a couple of items on the way. In any case, I assume there are many levels beyond what my system has arrived at. But since I'll never get there I am sitting back and enjoying the music in the blissful recognition that I don't know what I am missing.

I should mention that there are many elements that are as important as holography for the sound to be satisfying, IMO. They include detail, transparency, coherence, tonality, and dynamics, among others. My system has all of these elements in good measure.

Have you had success with holographic sound in your system? If so, how did you get there?
sabai
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geoffkait
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Sabai wrote,

"Geoffkait,
To keep things simple, when referring to "in the signal path" I
am talking about whatever is actually connected to the circuitry of the
system."

I suspect that might makes things a little too simple. Of course it all
depends how one defines "signal
path" I think a more accurate definition, and one that is probably
acceptable even to most naysayers, is the signal path is chain of source
(CD, LP, etc.), electronics, cables and speakers as well as the acoustic
waves that arrive at the listener's ears from the speakers and from room
walls, etc.

For example, I suspect most people would agree that CD tweaks such as
cleaning fluids and the Green Pen are IN the signal path. And most people,
even naysayers, would probably not dispute the room acoustics' effects on
the sound. So, i think we should agree that room acoustics are in the
signal path.

Where I think the definition of "signal path" diverges is
when we discuss devices or tweaks that don't appear to influence the
"electronic signal path" OR the acoustic portion of the signal
path. Isn't that the definition of a controversial tweak? That is why I would
put isolation devices, dampers, diffusers, absorbers, tiny little bowls, tube
traps and Hallographs IN the signal path, even CD treatments, cryogenics,
cable wraps and parallel line purifiers.

But certain (controversial) tweaks like SteinMusic Harmonizer, crystals, the
Intelligent Chip, Acoustic Revive Schumann Frequency Generator,
deionizers and demagnetizers and LessLoss Blackbody seem to fall
somewhere in No Man's Land, difficult to say for sure whether they're in or
out. Still others are clearly not in the signal path - Rainbow Foil, Clever
Clock, Red X Pen, the telephone thing, things of that nature.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
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marakanetz
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If you stand 5m from listening live piano-viola concerto, do you feel a holography of sound? Is it similar to Carver's Sonic Holography?? Or what yall realy mean under Sonic Holography after all??
douglas_schroeder
3,281 posts
 
Sabai, do not waste your time discussing anything with Geoffkait.
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kijanki
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"It is the energy flow via the electrons that creates the audio signal. While the actual speed of the electrons themselves is slow and their movement is characterized by more than one form of movement, the sound we hear actually travels very fast via the energy flow through the electrons."

Actually, energy doesn't flow thru electrons, electric charge does. Rate of this electric charge is measured in Coulombs per second and called electric current. Energy travels on the outside of the cable thru magnetic field (called the Poynting field). For instance, electric charge flows from one terminal of battery thru the load to come back to another terminal while energy flows from both terminals to the load on the outside of the cable.

This might help: http://amasci.com/elect/poynt/poynt.html
newbee
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I'm somewhat at a loss to understand what exactly the OP means when he refers to 'sonic holography' and wonder if perhaps he is confusing that term with 'stereo image'. IMHO the later refers to a sense of height, width and depth, all of which are relative depending on equipment set up and of course source.

IMHO 'sonic holography' represents the optimum achievement in 'stereo image' something which does not appear in most rooms under any conditions and even with the appropriate room, set up, equipment and source, it takes a lot of time and patience, as well as listening skills. It usually helps a lot if one has actually ever heard it. FWIW, I've been doing this for a while and I have only heard it once in a commercial 'high end' setting (Dealer listen rooms). Once! And not again.

When I read that the OP believes that he has created what I refer to as 'sonic holography' by optimizing his wires but not optimizing his set up, which it is obvious he has not, I believe he is engaging in a bit of hyperbole.

Taken to the next level, he also claims that now with the wires optimized he has optimized 'sonic holography' without regard to where one listens, that there no longer is a sweet spot seating requirement, off axis is fine, while using dynamic speakers, challenges my imagination, and suggests to me that he is experiencing varying levels of 'stereo imaging'.

Perhaps we need to explore what exactly is 'sonic holography' and how, or if, it can be differentiated from the traditional, if more pedestrian, 'stereo imaging' concept.

Perhaps I am the only one who differentiates the two phrases. If so just ignore this.
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