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What is you TIDAL setup?

A lot of audiophiles are waxing lyrical about this new HD streaming technology, proclaiming that this may be the best thing that happened to audio since the dawn of CDs. Positive reviews abound everywhere online. I succumbed and ordered a subscription. I'm glad I did, because TIDAL is freaking awesome! For a meager 20 clams a month, you suddenly have a 25 million CD collection at your fingertips! That alone is mind boggling and unthinkable a decade or so ago. I have been a SPOTIFY subscriber for a long time and can confidently say that TIDAL's streaming service is significantly better sounding and worth the extra subscription fee. I still kept SPOTIFY because, simply put, it has more selections. If SPOTIFY will offer HD streaming in the future, I will be in sonic nirvana! Pardon me for burying the leade. How did you incorporate TIDAL into your system? Here's my setup:

My system is composed of:

Shelter 7000
Well Tempered Amadeus
OPPO 103D - Transport and Blu ray Player
MAC MINI - upgraded SSD w/ 16GB RAM. Loaded with Amarra software
Auralic VEGA
Hovland HP100MC
Symphonic Line RG7 MK4
ISOCLEAN 80A3
Gemme Audio Tanto Karbon V3
iPAD Gen 2 with Retina Display
Wireworld Silver Eclipse Cables

I did not want to go through the hassle of moving my tricked-out MAC MINi from the computer nook to the listening room so I figured out a way to use my iPAD as the source. You cannot plug your iPAD directly into the VEGA. You need an interface. This is where the OPPO comes in where it also serves as a CD and Blu Ray discs transport. You have to buy an iPAD HDMI adapter. Plug in the iPAD using the adapter to the back of the OPPO and you're in business. Did I mention that the OPPO can also play whatever music file you throw at it?! Be it AIFF, FLAC, DSD, etc.. For the price, it's one amazing technologically-packed piece of gadgetry. Let's move on. Ensure you have the TIDAL app downloaded to the iPAD. Connect OPPO to the VEGA via toslink or COAX and Vega to the preamp, receiver or amp and you're ready to play!

In my setup, I plugged the VEGA straight to the amp using ENDLER attenuators. I found the resultant sound much more transparent and dynamic than going through a preamp. For additional info, using the VEGA's built in volume control is not as sonically satisfying. I found the frequency extremes truncated and the overall sound dynamically constricted. This is especially true at lower listening levels.

So there! In the end, I believe I was able to save some money by buying the OPPO vice the Auralic Aries. Plus I now have a very capable transport that can also play my old CD and Blu Ray collections. I'm immensely enjoying TIDAL. I haven't touched my turntable or played any CDs for almost a month. Well..., gotta go! I still have 24,999,824 CDs to listen to.
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randyhat
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" I suggest you consider getting a model without the DAC builtin into the player/streamer and keep the DAC separate. "

Well now, that is exactly the dilemma I am in.  For simplicity the A10 its appealing; like a integrated amp is appealing as opposed to separates.  I understand the advantage of having different DACs but I am just not sure I want another component, and another cable(s).  I do understand the advantages of separating out these functions but if I could find a competent all in one unit I would probably go with that option.  I am guessing either way it will probably be about the same money.
btw22
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randyhat, 
The best player I had was a tricked out APL modded 3910 Denon that produced glorious analog like SQ. It was unreal buy I sold it. I can't say I miss the sound because the A10 really holds its own and then some. Add internet radio, (much, much better SQ than I expected) Tidal intergration and it's a no-brainer for me. 

I understand the dilemma with the built-in dac but the A10's dac is very good. You'd probably have to spend around $4k to better it. And don't forget about the A10's 4 completely independent power supplies, each with its own transformer and a fully balanced/differential configuration.
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drmusic
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randyhat,

Also consider the simAudio Moon Neo ACE, all-in-one unit.  Magnificent tonal qualities.  I am running router via Ethernet > ACE > GoldenEar Technology Tritan 2s.  Tidal streaming built into ACE, controlled remotely on iPhone via Mind app.

Nirvana
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steve59
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Does running tidal from a laptop thru usb to a hegel h360 provide hi rez or is a streamer still needed? anybody?
willemj
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Tidal is not HiRez but just CD quality (i.e. 16/44), but that may be all you will ever need in any case. Your Hegel has a usb input, so all you will need is a simple standard usb cable from the usb ouput of the laptop to the usb input of the Hegel.
If you do not want to tie up your laptop for this purpose, you can also use a simple streamer like the Apple Airport Express or the Chromecast Audio (I prefer the latter because it does not tie up your phone/tablet). Both have digital optical outputs (get the right mini optical cable) so they can easily be connected to the digital optical input of the Hegel.
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shadorne
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Roon is an excellent way to enjoy Tidal and anything else in your digital collection. A Mac Mini running Roon Server and any iOS device to control it from your listening position - wonderful.
reubent
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@shadorne - Happy New Year! A few quick question about your Roon setup. Do you have Roon Core running on your MacMini? Which MAC Mini hardware configuration? Is your MAC Mini connected directly to your DAC, on your audio rack? Or are you using some other type of streaming device, as well as your iPad as a controller? Also, is your MAC Mini connected to your network via direct ethernet or are you using WiFi? Where are your ripped music files? On the MAC Mini? External Disk? NAS connected via ethernet or WiFi? Lastly, if you have Roon Core running on the MAC Mini, can you stream via Roon to other streaming devices in you home, via WiFi?

I'm hoping to add a music streaming service to my system and whole house during the coming year. I'm just trying to get my ducks lined up.......

Thanks for any comments......
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shadorne
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@reubent

Mac Mini 2.8 GHz i5 running Roon Server (headless) connected to Benchmark DAC3 via both optical and USB. I have the lossless music in a variety of formats on a 6TB drive connected to the Mac via USB - FLAC, AAC, AIFF, DSD etc. Roon controls everything from iPad or iPhone. I have Roon setup so it passes bit perfect files to the DAC. It only does conversion for files that my DAC cannot handle which is DSD128 and higher or reducing sample rate of hi-res files to 96KHz for optical. The DAC does all upsampling. I can’t hear a difference between optical or USB or cables or Singxer SU-1, so I am reasonably confident the DAC performs as claimed - it rejects all incoming jitter. There will be some intrinsic jitter in the DAC itself but Stereophile measurements suggest it is well below audibility.

Roon handles access to a Tidal. No MQA first unfold yet implemented in Roon but it is in the works. MQA is not a big deal to me as it is a lossy format anyway.

Roon works on almost any platform. So by no means should you limit yourself to my hardware setup.

Good Luck!
reubent
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@shadorne - Thanks for the reply. I'm not limiting myself to your config., just trying to find the relative performance you have on hand. I've heard that Roon takes a bit of power and wanted to know what you were using. A 2.6G i5 is not a powerhouse by any stretch. Do you also run Tidal on the MAC Mini at the same time? No performance issues?

I may hit you up for some additional information as the year progresses and I get closer to setting up the music stream.

Thanks and Happy New Year!

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