WHAT SHOULD BE MY NEXT SYSTEM UPGRADE?


Forgive the length of this entry, but I am anticipating questions I am likely to receive and wanted to provide as much useful information as possible.

I focus on listening to the music and am not prone to frequent system upgrades.  When I do upgrade it is because the improvement in sound quality is obvious to both my wife and I and seems to be a good value. We both play musical instruments, listen almost exclusively to classical and jazz, regularly attend concerts, especially orchestral works, chamber music and small jazz groups.  The classical performances are all in venues with good to excellent acoustics, so over many years of listening we know how live performances should sound.

Several months ago I purchased a Lumin U1 mini digital music player after auditioning a Lumin T2 and comparing the DAC in the T2 to my current Ayre QSB-9 DSD DAC.  What became apparent was that the existing DAC was not the most significant limiting factor in our system.  By connecting the Lumin to my iMac via an Ethernet switch and cables, and using it as a player only, the clarity of the music improved markedly.  I attribute this to the reported higher levels of “noise” transmitted through the iMac’s USB connection.  The Lumin was “quieter” - less noise and distortion, and has the added benefit of providing us with an excellent streamer for our Qobuz Hi-Res subscription.  So I purchased the Lumin U1 mini, which is a digital player only.  (We use both the Lumin app and Roon to listen to our own digitized music and Qobuz.)

Having spent a bit of time reading threads on Audiogon, articles in various publications and talking to a few dealers, it seems that I might achieve further marked improvements in sound quality - clarity, detail and accuracy of reproduction, less noise and distortion, better soundstage - by using a music server as a file source and/or by upgrading to a newer DAC.  While the other components in our system may be improved upon, our experience in auditioning various speakers and amps over the years, including in the past 12 months, lead me to believe the digital source/processing is where the biggest gains can be achieved.  

Our current system for the main listening room consists of the following components.

Mac Mini i7 with music on an external Thunderbolt hard drive (RAID 1 configuration) 

Lumin U1 mini digital music player

Ayre QSB-9 DSD DAC

Ayre CX-7emp CD player

Ayre K5-emp pre-amplifier

Proceed HPA-2 dual mono amplifier 

Aerial Acoustics Model 8b speakers

Transparent Plus (generation 5) interconnects

Transparent 10 ga. in-wall speaker cables (bi-wire terminations)

Audioquest Niagara 1000 power conditioner

Transparent USB (Lumin to Ayre DAC) and power cables

The purchases of the CD player, pre-amp, power conditioner and Lumin unit all made very noticeable improvements to sound quality.  Our digitized music collection now sounds virtually the same as, if not a bit better than the original CDs played on the Ayre CD player.  It was noticeably inferior before the Lumin was added to the system.

I’m seeking input from Audiogon members as to components they believe would provide the most improvement for the dollar to our current system, with an emphasis on digital music servers and DACs.  Let’s save recommendations regarding pre-amps, amps and speakers for another time.

With respect to music servers, a simple solution would be to replace the MacMini with the $1,200 Lumin L1, basically a hard drive and associated hardware designed for digital music use.  It can connect to my Lumin U1 mini via Ethernet, which I understand to be preferable to USB, with some recent suggestions to the contrary.  One downside is the need to reconnect to a computer every time you want to transfer a CD you’ve ripped or a file you’ve downloaded to the L1.  Local dealers also carry music servers by Aurender, Auralic, and some other more mass market brands.  I have read some good things about the sound quality of Innuous servers, but there are no local dealers and I am hesitant to purchase anything that I cannot demo with my existing equipment in my own listening room.

As to DACs/processors/combo units, I would automatically be disposed to the Ayre QX-5 Twenty given my experience with the company (excellent response to customer inquiries, great upgrade policy, outstandingly neutral sounding products).  Local dealers also carry the Lumin X1 (which would require trading in or selling my Lumin U1 mini, which is fine), the MSB Discrete (and its more costly brethren), Berkeley Audio Designs, T+A, Aurender, Auralic.  An out-of-town dealer with whom I’ve dealt carries some of these same brands plus Naim, dcs, Linn, and others.

As to budget, let’s say that depends to some extent on the performance the product.  For the purposes of discussion let’s say up to $5k for a music server and up to $10k for the DAC.  A bit of stretch is possible and the combined total would work for a combo product, but past experience suggests different firms have strengths in different areas.

I am particularly interested in thoughts about whether a music server or new DAC would provide more improvement.  I've read the past comments of the bits are bits naysayers and can confirm that just switching from USB to Ethernet connectivity made a big improvement.  So bits transmitted with power and circuit noise are inferior to bits transmitted with less of both!

Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.      


sameyers1
1) Upgrade source, Qobuz 96/24 is the start point, or SACD

1) Upgrade speakers will give you the best SQ improvement. Newer speaker not necessary better. You will find many decent used speakers on used market. That also include speaker placement, room treatment, seat position.
2) Upgrade amp accordingly with your speaker need,
3) Improve DAC and pre-amp

4) cable
@sameyers1 - I think a NAS’s powers supply is no better or worse than a Mac mini’s.

I got the L1 cheap because the seller thought it was fried.  The drive needed to be formatted.  I removed the 2TB drive from the L1 and replaced it with a 5TB drive which is currently the largest 2.5inch HDD you can buy.  The 2TB drive works too.

I don't notice any difference streaming from it or the NAS, but I also haven’t compared them in any kind of listening test.  The power supply is much more robust in the L1 then the Synology NAS, and the L1 doesn’t function like a normal NAS as their is no file management when on the network.  

To add music to the L1 you have to disconnect it from the network and connect it to your computer with a USB 3 cable (regular USB cable works too, just slower).  Lumin believes the L1 is superior to a NAS due to its power supply and stripped down NAS software.  

FYI, I use my Synology NAS for files other than music as it has (2) 10 TB HDDs.  Also, I have more than 5TB of music files so I find myself using the Synology NAS.  I recently purchased a lifetime license to Roon, however Roon doesn’t recognize the L1 as a storage device as it can’t be mapped like a traditional NAS.

I would suggest evaluating speakers, i.e. Maggies as well as room treatments.  The best bang for the buck is often the least expensive. 

I recommend listening to Magnepans due to your choice of music.  We all have our favorites, but listening costs nothing and it may be eye opening from box speakers.
OP after looking at your system one of the bottle necks is your interconnects and speaker cables.

Transparent cables are actually not that transparent, and we are willing to believe that if you dd your last source demo with new non network interconnects you would have seen way more improvement.

Please try to borrow a set of Wireworld Gold or Platinum inteconnects and then change out your digital or try new electronics.

The reality is that if you just relistened to your system with new interconnects from the amp to the preamp and from your dac to the preamp you would be shocked at the improvement you would have heard with upgrading your digital.

Changing speakers to newer one and then changing the amp is a viable solution

Look at the Kef Reference line remarkable blend of detail, huge soundstage and a natural midrange.

The new Vimbergs were awesome, we don’t know if they would be in yoru price range.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ


@audiotroy thanks for the input.  You are the second source to mention the Wireworld cables.  Will consider borrowing from The Cable Company to check them out.  Also, I am not surprised you recommended KEF Reference speakers.  I like the "British" sound.   And we purchased KEF speakers years ago for our daughter and my parents after auditioning a number of bookshelf models.  I am not familiar with Vimberg, but will research cost and see if there are any dealers not too far away.  

Thanks again for your assistance.