We all "want" something to change the sound, but what is important is what "needs" to happen in order to do so. The later is knowledge and the former is emotion. I don't like endless arguments. I like to argue forward.
Yes, you can say something sounds different but until you can define the attribute responsible for it, I'd be real careful to decide you "know" what it is.
Everyone like to touch and feel cords, fuses, ETC and think that since we can change these items, they are somehow outworldly responsible for what we hear. Why? They make up a very small part of the AC circuit that has several feet of PC board traces, NPN and PNP junctions an all sorts of resistor and capacitor signal traces. I would suggest that the "bottleneck" for the signal is far removed from a power cord (AC signal never even see's that circuit) or a fuse.
What effect does a NPN or PNP transistor have on the sound? We can't change it or really "see" it. The doped silicone is hardly esoteric in nature and yet we seem to feel it is of minor consequence to the sound. How about your PC board AC singal block traces? Those are far more critical to sound than 18 AWG unbalanced leads extrernal to your pre-amp or power amp.
A FLUKE test of AC line noise is NOT a measure of what the line noise does at the END of the DC block. Show me a test of the influence of the DC Vcc noise relative to the AC block and we'll talk. If we can't show what the "needs" are to hear what we "want" to happen (sound changes)are we learning?
Of interest,
...I wonder if Rower's sound is different late at night than it is during peak demand hours?...
There have been studies done that show or senses CHANGE with conditions. Our eyes improve with bright lighting and our ears are less monitored by the brain over what we see. At night it is the opposite. So what's really better late at night? The surroundings (dark) benefiting or senses, or do we want to decide it is AC line noise reduction? To be fair, I enjoy music in a dark room. But, I'm not going to say it's better late at night. I can make the basement pretty dark during the day. That mouse chewing inside my old apartment wall was always louder at night though!
Also...
...if the power supply in a component is less than perfect, wouldn't it be affected by the power that is delivered from the wall?...
You can make a pretty darn good power supply with three terminal regulators that have very low ripple with modest capacitor banks (we want to evaluate VOLTAGE chnges, not CURRENT draw). A power supply is pretty boreing in that the task is;
1.0 right DC level (regulation of voltage clamping).
2.0 no sag under current demand over time (capacitor banks).
3.0 isolation of magnetic fields from the AC circuit (crappy transformers).
If it does those three things it's working. A dumb transistor just needs pure DC potential. The three terminal regulator voltage clamping circuit is pretty robust to variations in line voltage as the DC voltage levels are WAY under the line voltage anyway. Get a three terminal regulator and make a power supply to prove it to yourself. Vary the AC from 100 to 120 and watch the three terminal regulation output DC value. Stayed the same right. The heat thrown off will change though, as that's how those HOT little buggers work when they regulate the voltage. Most "cheap" voltage regulators are less than 2.0% regulation like a LM340.
Fuses in speakers effecting the sound? Sure, a fuse is a device that works by HEATING and CHANGING physical attributes / electrical (it MELTS when it works!). Also, a fuse is the predominant component in a speaker "lead" relative to the speaker cable itself. Since they melt in order to work and...do you think they act the same just prior to melting than at room temperature? Silver fuses? Well, silver melts before copper (lower tmperature) so it's worse, not better all things being the same. You need to balance silvers lower resistance with its circular mil area to arrive at the same wattage at failure. To say one is better than another is to say you MATCHED the thermal resistive gradient to be the same. Otherwise, you are simply using a "big" fuse over a "small" fuse where the bigger fuse is changing less relative to the current drawn through it, and sounding better. A fuse that is moat linear resistance over a wider temperature range prior to melt is going to be better. I would guess, because I am, that a material that has a high change in resistance with temp will sound worse than a material that doesn't. And, the "sound" of the material is NOT what you hear, but the consistency of the resistance of that material. Where is this data?
I'm a real answer kind of guy. I just don't accept the audiophile acceptance of unproven sonic attributes. Sound different...sure, just don't pretend you "know" why when it can't be proven with measurement. You can't measure it you say? Than just STOP right there and say you don't know why.
That component on your shelf is FULL of real answers as to WHY it sounds like it does, even if WE don't know what they are. The designer sure does. I find it funny that a few cords and / or mystery dielectrics we set the unit on (or things on the unit itself) make outwardly big changes in the sound. Really? And the likes of Nelson Pass and their ilk are unaware that a few accessories make such huge changes in the sound?
My experience with three different preamps says no. The designer blows me away. No amount of prudent and cost effective designed cords made any one unit sound like the other. They are all good, but all very different. Inside those units lies the answers, too. Not outside.
Yes, you can say something sounds different but until you can define the attribute responsible for it, I'd be real careful to decide you "know" what it is.
Everyone like to touch and feel cords, fuses, ETC and think that since we can change these items, they are somehow outworldly responsible for what we hear. Why? They make up a very small part of the AC circuit that has several feet of PC board traces, NPN and PNP junctions an all sorts of resistor and capacitor signal traces. I would suggest that the "bottleneck" for the signal is far removed from a power cord (AC signal never even see's that circuit) or a fuse.
What effect does a NPN or PNP transistor have on the sound? We can't change it or really "see" it. The doped silicone is hardly esoteric in nature and yet we seem to feel it is of minor consequence to the sound. How about your PC board AC singal block traces? Those are far more critical to sound than 18 AWG unbalanced leads extrernal to your pre-amp or power amp.
A FLUKE test of AC line noise is NOT a measure of what the line noise does at the END of the DC block. Show me a test of the influence of the DC Vcc noise relative to the AC block and we'll talk. If we can't show what the "needs" are to hear what we "want" to happen (sound changes)are we learning?
Of interest,
...I wonder if Rower's sound is different late at night than it is during peak demand hours?...
There have been studies done that show or senses CHANGE with conditions. Our eyes improve with bright lighting and our ears are less monitored by the brain over what we see. At night it is the opposite. So what's really better late at night? The surroundings (dark) benefiting or senses, or do we want to decide it is AC line noise reduction? To be fair, I enjoy music in a dark room. But, I'm not going to say it's better late at night. I can make the basement pretty dark during the day. That mouse chewing inside my old apartment wall was always louder at night though!
Also...
...if the power supply in a component is less than perfect, wouldn't it be affected by the power that is delivered from the wall?...
You can make a pretty darn good power supply with three terminal regulators that have very low ripple with modest capacitor banks (we want to evaluate VOLTAGE chnges, not CURRENT draw). A power supply is pretty boreing in that the task is;
1.0 right DC level (regulation of voltage clamping).
2.0 no sag under current demand over time (capacitor banks).
3.0 isolation of magnetic fields from the AC circuit (crappy transformers).
If it does those three things it's working. A dumb transistor just needs pure DC potential. The three terminal regulator voltage clamping circuit is pretty robust to variations in line voltage as the DC voltage levels are WAY under the line voltage anyway. Get a three terminal regulator and make a power supply to prove it to yourself. Vary the AC from 100 to 120 and watch the three terminal regulation output DC value. Stayed the same right. The heat thrown off will change though, as that's how those HOT little buggers work when they regulate the voltage. Most "cheap" voltage regulators are less than 2.0% regulation like a LM340.
Fuses in speakers effecting the sound? Sure, a fuse is a device that works by HEATING and CHANGING physical attributes / electrical (it MELTS when it works!). Also, a fuse is the predominant component in a speaker "lead" relative to the speaker cable itself. Since they melt in order to work and...do you think they act the same just prior to melting than at room temperature? Silver fuses? Well, silver melts before copper (lower tmperature) so it's worse, not better all things being the same. You need to balance silvers lower resistance with its circular mil area to arrive at the same wattage at failure. To say one is better than another is to say you MATCHED the thermal resistive gradient to be the same. Otherwise, you are simply using a "big" fuse over a "small" fuse where the bigger fuse is changing less relative to the current drawn through it, and sounding better. A fuse that is moat linear resistance over a wider temperature range prior to melt is going to be better. I would guess, because I am, that a material that has a high change in resistance with temp will sound worse than a material that doesn't. And, the "sound" of the material is NOT what you hear, but the consistency of the resistance of that material. Where is this data?
I'm a real answer kind of guy. I just don't accept the audiophile acceptance of unproven sonic attributes. Sound different...sure, just don't pretend you "know" why when it can't be proven with measurement. You can't measure it you say? Than just STOP right there and say you don't know why.
That component on your shelf is FULL of real answers as to WHY it sounds like it does, even if WE don't know what they are. The designer sure does. I find it funny that a few cords and / or mystery dielectrics we set the unit on (or things on the unit itself) make outwardly big changes in the sound. Really? And the likes of Nelson Pass and their ilk are unaware that a few accessories make such huge changes in the sound?
My experience with three different preamps says no. The designer blows me away. No amount of prudent and cost effective designed cords made any one unit sound like the other. They are all good, but all very different. Inside those units lies the answers, too. Not outside.