Why is 2 Channel better than multi-channel?

Landok,

I'm sorry you feel I'm talking down to you, but I am attempting to make my message as clear as possible.

I felt I needed to spell out my point succinctly as you seem unable at this time to grasp where I was coming from.
I didn't want you to feel unnecessarily insulted. But you did ask this question after a more than thorough explanation.

"What purpose does a center speaker provide then other than more clarity of oral discourse or dissertation that is in synch with the performers on the screen?"

Let me help you out with an answer because it's in your question...."more clarity", if can make dialogue more clear then it can make the violins in an orchestra more clear too. A center channel is an opportunity not an obstacle.

So.

Let me advise you that unless you can cram 12 years of installation, design and years of research and training between now and your next post you shouldn't waste your time. I KNOW what I'm talking about and there is no clever cliche audiophile end run for you to get around me, nothing you can say that will stump me or even make me take a step back. So don't waste our time with another stab at justification and just get on with it. If you have questions I'll answer, sorry if it rubs you the wrong way but behind this cyber text is an expert in this field and believe it or not there is such a thing. I don't doubt your experiences that led you to your opinion but what I and Eldart. are trying to tell you is that surround has much more to offer than what you have experienced.

Fact is every moment of your everyday life is in surround why not play your music back that way?

Landok...Perhaps I have an unfair advantage because I remember when stereo was introduced, and the outcry from some audiophiles was a lot like what we hear today about multichannel. I can look at this thread with some amusement. In time you will come along.

Velocity,
FWIW, I also read condescension into your original post and was appalled. Apparently I got that wrong, and I apologize for that. I do NOT doubt that you are an expert on home theater and surround sound, and I also realize (fully) that I am NOT. Your intelligence and experience are obvious (Eldartford's and Landok's too, and lots of others', for that matter). We all just need to be careful how we word things (myself included--!!!!), because it's easy to be misunderstood, particularly when a person has only written words to look at and cannot see the expression on the writer's face, hear the tone, etc. This is such a great site full of REALLY smart people, I just don't want to see things go downhill unnecessarily.

In the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get ALONG?!"

p.s. I am NOT being sarcastic with that quote. I think it's very powerful and incisive, and did not deserve to be mocked on "In Living Color."
-Bill

MdHoover,

Can we agree it was my third post that got your attention?

"I do NOT doubt that you are an expert on home theater and surround sound, and I also realize (fully) that I am NOT."

The key to your comment here is the latter part of your statement. I do not know much about "tube rolling" as I don't care for tube amplification all that much. Thus you will not see me engage anyone on the topic other than to ask a question. I've noticed your unabated enthusiasm over your IDS speakers, I never heard them so I cannot comment.

For Landok to jump in this thread I would expect that he has atleast tried several times to make a surround system musical. Instead he offers only a stream of nonsensical comments that no better describe multichannel sound than two channel sound.

Surround sound is not novelty sound anymore than two channel. And Noobs should do there homework and get something better than second-rate second-hand knowledge to debate with. It would be the respectful thing to do, don't you agree?

Yes, I agree that it's necessary to have first-hand experience with something prior to being able to debate it competently. However, I'm not in a position to assess with certainty whether or not any given Audiogon thread participant has such experience, unless I know that member personally, in which case we'd be unlikely to communicate in a public forum. In any case, since I myself lack such experience with multichannel sound, I should leave this discussion. I'll see you in a different thread.

One thing though, Dale Pitcher himself has told me that some people are using the Intuitive Design Summits for home theater, one person having relegated them to REAR CHANNEL duty (LOL!). I think that person has the $65,000 Denalis in the front. I've never heard those, so I can only speculate on how great they must be.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers.