Why pay so much?

Glupson - I do believe that was a ridiculous rebuttal, lol.

You just said you think people are willing to be ripped of and like it.

If you asked people if they would be willing to get their wiring for 99% off? 99% of people would say the affirmative, H*** Yeah.

You’re socialized entitlement based theory of giving cable companies gifts to "feel better" I do believe is ridiculous.

5 or 6 companies that charge no more than $300 for 10 foot wiring, and that would be crazy exotic speaker wiring and the best of the best, they’d still make hand over fist since they’d cost $30 to make, and that’s 1,000% margins.

I think 99% of the audio world would say they are okay with this.

And the fact that people are willing to knock on doors to get these ridiculously priced wiring is the exact fact of why they charge these prices.  Because people are willing to do this.

I think I've made a pretty solid, air tight argument for affordable audio.

I think you're in the minority in opposing my theory.

In fact, I think people will find what you're saying is ridiculous.
No offense.  Just giving you a heads up.

Would the market shrink fro. 1,000+ companies to like 5 or 6?

Would you really want that? How about shrinking from 5-6 to 1-2?

"The cost to build a speaker is cheap..............but the best speakers in the world shouldn’t cost more than $3,500."

Did you include the price of a garage, tools, all the wasted material while you are perfecting a skill, time, injuries? For some of us, buying a finished speaker is the cheapest option. Even at whatever price you deem exorbitant.

Same for recievers, processors, and amplifiers.

On top of that all, what else would people do with their money? Invest to make more that they are not allowed to spend so they do not support the greed of some cable company?

Spread the wealth, man. Do not let it concentrate in hands of a select few. Buy cables from different companies.

Glupson - I made a compelling argument on price gauging and margin rip offs, and you're fighting for margins?

Do you own a audio company?

The market wouldn't shrink from 5 to 6 speaker wiring or loud speaker companies. I'm sure there'd still be 10+, and not 2.

You're fighting for margins when the industry would still put out Grade A+ stuff. It wouldn't change things. You'd still have exotic wiring and exotic speakers.

"Did you include the price of a garage, tools, all the wasted material while you are perfecting a skill, time, injuries? For some of us, buying a finished speaker is the cheapest option. Even at whatever price you deem exorbitant."


Are you serious?  You backed up margins of speaker companies? By saying that a garage, tools and waste materials amount to 50,000+% margins?  

I'm saying that these companies like B&W, Revel, etc, should cost a premium for drivers, but since what they design any idiot can do it in a garage? Somehow warrants the margins?  You can buy a a kit from Madisound.com right now with   3 way berrilyum scan speak kits for $3,500, and get someone to build it for $1,000.  Right now you can do that.  And those are similar drivers used in the Anat Reference 2, except newer and better and Illuminator Beryllium based.

Or, as what should happen now, is a company spends $1,750 whole sale 50% margins on drivers, spend $500 to put it together and build the cabinets, and charge $6,000.

By the way, that's an extreme example.  Those are some of the most expensive drivers in the world.

Many $10,000+ speakers use $50 3rd party tweeters, etc.

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/3-way-speaker-kits/b741-scan-speak-kit-pair-by-peter-noerbaek/

funaudiofun,

"If you asked people if they would be willing to get their wiring for 99% off? 99% of people would say the affirmative, H*** Yeah."

"And the fact that people are willing to knock on doors to get these ridiculously priced wiring is the exact fact of why they charge these prices. Because people are willing to do this."

So, are they willing to pay ridiculous prices or not?

By the way, I did not mention that people are willing to be ripped off and like it. You, again, placed your incorrect interpretation as my words. You may not be willing to accept it, but what you consider a "rip-off" is not what everybody considers a rip-off. Some people just want to buy expensive cables.

There is definitely a place for affordable audio in the world. It exists. It is all over the place. Of course, what is "affordable audio" is another question. For some, $70 000 speaker cables are just that.

funaudiofun,

I do not own an audio company.

You can call people idiots, but not everyone can build a speaker in the garage. Many do not even have an interest in doing it to spite someone who is trying to make a living by producing something we can use.

"By saying that a garage, tools and waste materials amount to 50,000+% margins?"

You forgot the other two, easily the most expensive things I listed. Time and injuries. They are worth whatever someone is willing to pay. For the buyer, it is not about margins, it is about final price.

While you are at margins, do you happen to have some info about margins for Celine Trapeze? How about pricier models? You would not even need a garage to try to reproduce it. You could, in theory, do it on the kitchen table. Now, go to your wife, sister, neighbor, and tell her that you will do it for her instead of paying Celine. Let us know the response you get.