@syntax > We listen first with our eyes, then with our wallets. After taking both factors into consideration, it is then that we use our ears just to "verify" what our eyes and wallets have told us about a product.
Blindjim > how true. That do seem to be the process. Thanks.
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@Elizabeth > To invest so totally in the stereo.
As much as your car? twice you new car? As much as your HOUSE
Blindjim > I had a nice BMW 500 series in my living room at one time. A 90s version of the 500 series. the property was worth well, uh, more.
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@Mapman > High end means more expensive and exclusive compared to the rest, plain and simple.
Blindjim > sure seems quite relative and not indicative. A new preamp or DAC can run $1K to $60K or more. A PeachTree 300 runs $2K. an HT receiver costs as little as $400. Integrated amps range wildly from below a grand to near $30K in some cases.
Where then, is the bar separating High from Low?
If the answer is always to be a subjective appraisal based on first hand experiences of the goods themselves, the outcomes will be too vague for any particular distinction which would then firmly separate one from the other.
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@Willemj > what you can reproduce at home is only a postage stamp size version of it
Blindjim > stamp sized? Either take off the headphones, or move your speakers farther apart. Lol
I’ll say the recreated sound scape won’t be exact, but it can come quite close depending on the listening room dims and what was captured during the show.
@Willemj > You also realize that 'sound stage', 'spatial detail', 'warmth' or 'air' are not necessarily there in live concerts in the best acoustics.
Blindjim > not sure at all of what you’re thinking posting that last bit.
At a live event the sound stage, tenor, and dimension are in fact present. You only have to look. The players are where they are in relationship to the confines of the venue. They ain’t all standing behind each other or shoulder to shoulder in the middle of the stage. Each player and instrument occupy its own spot. If it is indeed an acoustic recital, separation gets very well defined. If everyone is in tune its usually an engaging outing.
How it is being recorded or how well, will then represent the artificial presentation your system will deliver.
The truth of the performance lives only at the performance. The recording offers merely a particular rendition or capture of it. What a home audio system does with that info thereafter should determine how proficient the home system is with being honest to the recording…. Not necessairily the actual venue’s performance.
If however the concert is all amplified its gonna gbe up to the mixing engineer and or producer to decide which product suits the recording best.
If it ain’t in the recording it sure ain’t gonna gbe in your systems ability to add something in or simply provide for it later.
This is why I’m so skeptical when reading articles on gear which relate not just the tonal attributes of a show or redcital, but where the walls are as well. Really. Were the walls stone, brick, or drywall? Better yet, was everyone wearing socks, or not? Were the chairs metal or wood? Cushioned?
Memories are not the exact pictorial evidence one should rely upon when recounting what is being displayed audibly. A mind can tent to bend or add vague artifacts into the writers memory and consequent testimony.
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I sure didn’t realize how difficult a question this was before now.
Applying a price range likely won’t simplify matters. Albeit as price increases the opportunity to experience the magic that exceptional audio’ electronics deliver becomes more commonplace even though the pieces responsible for recreating an engaging presentation often, are not at all common.
Maybe defining High end audio is best done from the top down than aiming directly at every piece of electronics hitting today’s market.
‘Cost No Object’, there should be little or no space for debate here on the it is or it is not.
C.N.O. items are easy to spot. They always have a comma in their prices and usually 2 or 3 digits forward of it.
Likewise, ‘Statement’ and ‘Signature’ lines of equipment should fit into the ‘high end’ enclave with few, if any, detractors. Once more these are readily observed as the tax per device regularly has five digits and the first number is a 3, 4, or higher.
Speakers are the most mystifying IMHO. Checking each models MSRP does very little to separate great performers from incredibgle reproducers. The moving tartget of speaker performance rests on more than the speaker system du jour. What is pushing them, and their resident prison. I’ll cast a vote for any pair exceeding the $9K plateau.
Regarding wires and accessories? Hoo boy! Here’s possibly the biggest bag of worms and most heated, controversial topic in audio. I’m not entering any vote there.
Across these considered areas, everything is open to deliberation. Add in the resplendent factor of complete synergy in arranging separates en masse, which can be much like hearding cats now and then, and the quandary of where does “high end audio’ begin or stop garners still greater mystery.
