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A challenge to the "measurement" camp

I’ve watched some of his video and I actually agree on some of what he said,
but he seems too confident on his insistence on measurement. For those
who expound on the merits of blind test and measurement, why not turn
the table upside down?

Why not do a blind test of measurement? That is I will supply all the measurement
you want, can you tell me which is a better product?

For example, if I have a set of cable, and a set of measurement for each
individual cable, can you tell me which is the best cable based on measurement
alone? I will supply all the measurement you want.
After all, that is what you’re after right? Objective result and not subjective
listening test.

Fast forward to 8:15 mark where he keeps ranting about listening test
without measurement.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katmUM-Xelw

By the way, is he getting paid by Belden?  Because he keeps talking about it
and how well it measures.  I've had some BlueJean cables and they can easily
bettered by some decent cables.  
andy2
djones51
4,947 posts
 
I'll make it simple for you. You're putting the cart before the horse. You said ask for measurements. I asked. Provide them and I'll explain why I picked the cable I will choose when I get them. It's becoming obvious for anyone reading this you have no intention of providing anything. Get the 20hz to 20khz sweep of two sets of cables of the same guage and connections. They can be different metals and insulation. 

You also probably realize by now these are not flat either.
Uh, I hope the inductance vs frequency is ruler flat. If not we can toss that cable first. 

Don't worry about what I do with the measurements that's my part, yours is simply providing them. 
djones51
4,947 posts
 
I don't think you even know what I'm asking for most of the measurements should be fairly flat except for the frequency sweep. For instance the AC Resistance vs Guage should be flat in the audible range and not rise until 50 or 60 khz. 
andy2 OP
1,555 posts
 
Uh, I hope the inductance vs frequency is ruler flat

You realize that even the inductance vs. freq. of an actual inductor is not flat, don't you?  Now being a cable with distributive characteristic, I am not sure how it will be flat.  Same for capacitance and resistance.  They won't be flat.

I guess unless you live in a paradise, none of these will be flat.  Again, if you can enlighten us with how you will interpret these variable and determine which is the better cable.  


djones51
4,947 posts
 
No measurements? ? 
roberttdid
534 posts
 
I counted 5 pages in the search where @geoffkait brought up gravity Andy2 so that is that 100-150 posts, and there are probably many many more, I just got bored. Not sure why he insists that gravity is the warping of space is anything but a theory when there are no doubt 100's of high quality science sites that quite clearly say it is a theory and many, oh Nasa for one, list 10's of other theories and what the current thought is on their potential validity. Dogma?  Ego not allowing to admit being wrong? First page on Google Search says so?
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