A Copernican View of the Turntable System

Dear Lewm: IMHO: wrong answer: ++++ " and I am always thinking of ways to improve my pre-amp. " +++++

so you want to improve your pre-amp but you are reluctant to improve your TT/tonearm.

With all respect that makes no sense: especially that every single non-plint and stand alone tonearm pod advocate here and in other threads already shared their experiences and in no single one of those experiences exist any single word against but only full quality performance level improvements !!!!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Dear Halcro: +++++ " Finally, I can't help but feel that all this talk of 'distortions'.....by you Raul and also by Jonathan.....without a single example .... " ++++++

Henry, you can read my answers on that subject in several threads ( in the MM/MI one you and me disagree and discussed on this distortion subject about the Signet's ( the average ones. ) and FR cartridges/tonearm. ), please don't push me to go in deep again ( I always made my job with questions/answers so please make yours: investigating. )in your thread in reference with your system and what you are hearing and why. Henry I knew extremely well your system or at least better that what you think I know. I know ( first hand. )very well your amps, phonolinepreamp, speaker caps, subwoofers, your cartridges, TTs and tonearms, Scanspeak drivers, cables and even your tape-deck.

IMHO and due to my experiences with those audio items I can say that I have a good idea of what you are hearing, why and what kind of distortions you like.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Hi Shane,

I think Jasper being polite as he always is, is telling you to get a new wall shelf :-) One that does not sag.

Unfortunately, physics and gravity are phenomena we just have to live with :^)
I had toyed with the idea of a Micro Seiki SX5000 or 8000........but could imagine the sounds of steel screws popping from their masonry wall plugs :^(
Fortunately.....sagging does not have an audible effect. And the coins have been replaced by hard resin footers.
How is your P3 sounding? You know that the veneered plinth is just 'decoration'? It can easily be removed. I've also wondered how it would sound with the removal of those 'feedback-prone' springs?
I suspect it would rival the best :^)
Cheers
Henry

Dear Raul, I have read not one word that persuades me that I am missing something important by denuding a turntable or using an armpod. Not one person has my equipment or anything like it, or my turnables tonearms cartridges or has done a real "experiment" that proves anything at all. Mostly I read that the guys that have tried these constructs have found it to be pleasant and to make them happy, sometimes after much fiddling and some expense. My turntables/tonearms are also pleasant and make me happy. Please leave me be on this subject. This is what I was saying above; there is room in the universe for both approaches, so I at least wish to move on. You and a few others cannot be happy it seems unless the rest of us acknowledge that the plinthless/armpodist way of doing things is genius. It's not; it's just another way of doing things that inevitably comes with its own set of compromises. (Of course, this is my fault for posting here again. Sorry about that.) I guess I'd rather sling solder than machine metals.

Hello Jcarr, I'm coming into this discussion rather late, but please explain a statement:

**FWIW, I also agree fully with Daniel and Travis regarding outboard arm pods. When you play a record, what you are actually doing is measuring it against the platter and spindle. Mounting the tonearm on a separate pod allows relative movement to occur between the tonearm pivot and the platter / spindle, and this will interfere with the accuracy of measurements.**

The set-ups I've seen with separate arm pods look like massive affairs where both the spindle housing and pods are planted so there can be no relative movement between them. Of course these are non-suspended tables. So, what are you talking about? Why is it preferable to use a plinth to maintain spindle/arm distance, rather than the base? I would think that using the plinth has greater potential to muddy up the sound.
Regards,