A deeper more holographic soundstage.


I was wondering by what means you have created a deeper soundstage. I am satisfied with the width but I really feel it is a bit 2 dimensional. It doesn't go back far enough. I like more layers of sound that reach towards you from the blackness.
As I've already spent quite a bit on my system I am unable to buy much more expensive components.
Did you upgrade one component that made the difference? Placement of speakers? New footers or tweaks such as Stillpoints?
Two subs instead of one(I have one)? Different placement of subs? I am working with a very tight space so it is difficult to move things without them being in the center of the room.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
roxy1927
I have no proof of this but life experience:

But I also think there are certain ways your brain 'likes to...or prefers to' listen to sound. Probably different for everyone. I went deaf in my left ear for a few months in 2020 and now that I have recovered what I lost, I appreciate what your brain does to compensate. You need around 40-50% hearing in one ear to begin to 'place' and locate things in space.

For some reason, I don't hear a better soundstage when I close my eyes...even in the dark.  I do 'feel' like I hear a better sonic picture when the room is dimly lit and my eyes are open and looking somewhere between the speakers (in a blurry gaze) but obviously thinking about the music.

I'm sure a lot of you have certain conditions that you prefer when doing critical listening.




Roxy,

Wow that was all a bunch of conjecture which each participant believes is helpful. Some possibly useful but most doubtful.

Heed the expert from Atlanta who wrote the book on improving sound. ($500/day per session) He tells everyone the 1st thing to do is move everything out from between the speakers. This is 100% correct.
If you can't move it then lower it.

In my setup every piece I play has the vocalist 4 feet behind the speakers. Perhaps I do not listen to crappy recordings but who does?

The rules of physics still apply. If there is not distance open to the wall behind your speakers you will fail.

On symmetry: Also a no. Reducing early reflections is everything.
The more symmetry, the more reinforcement of early reflections.

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I have not made that little since the early 90s.
Heed the expert from Atlanta who wrote the book on improving sound. ($500/day per session

My mechanic charges way more than that.


On symmetry: Also a no. Reducing early reflections is everything.
The more symmetry, the more reinforcement of early reflections.


While early reflections are very important the rest of this statement is nonsense unless you are breaking symmetry to fix a worse issue.


The rules of physics still apply. If there is not distance open to the wall behind your speakers you will fail.


The rules of physics still apply. This statement however shows a one dimensional knowledge of acoustics (physics). It's the different between knowing what you are doing and parroting rules of thumb from others.


My experience, not hugely vast, non technical, was; as soon as I experienced minimal  XO’s as in my loudspeakers (Reference 3A Grand Veenas), phase alignment, the holography went through the roof. Further enhancement was the made through the use of tubes and room treatment, (bass management and diffraction), in that order. Undeducated ears that listen in my home, always comment first on the imaging, even unknowingly whether or not that the recording was of low or high quality, just that they were familiar with the music itself.  
@roxy1927,

Do you think you are looking for a "realistic" depth of sound-stage or an enhanced one to suit your personal preference?