Amp Shutting Down, need help


I have a Cary 7.250 brand new amp that shuts down after 20 seconds in my NYC apartment. I have sent the unit back to Cary where it tests fine. I have tried the unit at my friend’s apartment and his place of work and it works fine. The unit is 100% in working order. After talking to many people I was told to attach a 50' extension cord and low and behold it worked.

The good news is that I have a dedicated 20amp circuit to this outlet. My voltage reads 118 volts and Cary said that is not a problem as the unit will work between 90 and 130 volts. I have tested for voltage on the negative lead to ground and there is no stray voltage. I have also tried the unit on other outlets in the apartment and the same problem occurs.

My mono blocks and all other components work just fine. So I’d love to hear suggestions as to how to get rid of this 50’ extension cord?

Thanks in advance.
sailcappy
All the lengthy power cord is doing is dropping the AC voltage a little over its length. But I had understood that you had checked the AC voltage and it was OK. If the voltage was high then I could see the power cord helping out. That is why I suggested other things. Any chance of getting another AC voltage measurement at the wall socket?
Hi Ralph,

I learned a couple of weeks ago from Jon Risch, an EE as you know, that a SMPS will draw more current if the voltage sags to try and maintain output power of the PS.

Sailcappy has verified the mains voltage at the dedicated branch circuit receptacle is 118V using a true RMS meter. That is only one volt above what the manufacture recommends for the amp.

In Sailcappy's test he ran for me, with out the 50' 16/3 cord connected to the amp, amp plugged directly into the wall recept, the mains voltage dropped from 118V to 112V at the same instance the 15 amp magnetic breaker tripped open.

With the amp connected to the 50' 16/3 cord the voltage at the end of the cord was 118V unloaded, naturally, and at the sound heard from the last relay closing the voltage dropped from 118V to 115V then back to 118V as the amp
completed its start up cycle.

So is the 50' cord working more like a current limiter
keeping the current below the 15 amp cutoff of the magnetic breaker trip solenoid mechanism?

It would be interesting if Sailcappy were to plug in a 120V table lamp with a 60 watt incandescent light bulb into one of the recepts of the branch circuit that feeds the Cary amp, then start the amp up, plugged directly into the wall recept. I wonder how dim the light gets at the split second before the magnetic breaker trips open?

A lot? Somewhat?
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Jim
Sailcappy has verified the mains voltage at the dedicated branch circuit receptacle is 118V using a true RMS meter. That is only one volt above what the manufacture recommends for the amp.
09-10-12: Jea48

That is only one volt above what the manufacture recommends for the amp.

Should say,
That is only one volt above the minimum line voltage the manufacture recommends.
From the Cary 7.250 specs, (AC Power Requirements 117/234 Volts AC @ 50/60 Hz)

Also after rereading my last long winded post I am not sure I made clear what I was trying to get at.....

That a SMPS will draw more current if the line voltage sags to try and maintain output power of the PS.

So, Is it possible the voltage drop from 118V to 112V is enough to cause the SMPS to draw more current to compensate for the drop in line voltage?
End result the 15 amp magnetic breaker ampere rating is exceeded, breaker trips open.
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Jim -- I don't see the 117V being indicated as a minimum. I would assume it is intended as a nominal value.

Best regards,
-- Al
Jim -- I don't see the 117V being indicated as a minimum. I would assume it is intended as a nominal value.
09-11-12: Almarg

Hi Al,

Ya, I agree. I knew better... I'll just have to blame the thought on a brain fart moment.

120V may be the nominal voltage in the US but it is not unusual to see line voltage vary anywhere from 110 to 124.
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Jim