Anyone been in contact with Jade Audio recently?

No disdain at all coming from me! :-) Honestly, I don't understand why people get so worked up over whether everyone else likes the same interconnects as they do. This is supposed to be fun, guys! I've learned a lot about this hobby and discovered some cool cables/gear through reading these forums. Everyone has differences in tastes and experiences, and we all gain by sharing these with each other. (I feel like a preschool teacher right now! lol)

As for the treble hash I was hearing, I know that wasn't caused by the GG Revelations. My system is far from perfect at the moment, and getting it there feels like a never ending process! I have been trying to build an all digital system, but recently, I've felt like I've been gaining resolution at the expense of musicality. That's why I've been looking at gold interconnects. For some reason the Revelations simply made a bad system attribute more clear than I was hearing before. Actually, I've been thinking of adding some tubes to the mix, but that's probably fodder for another thread!

Tomer

I'll stay out of this thread in the future as there is certainly some disdain here for some reason
Bobf

Now you know why I no longer visit the GG threads Bob....

No disdain as long as you can play nice. I think the main thing is that folks understand that system synergy and tastes are different. No problem at all if you like GG cables, but after so many told me that GG cables need more burn in on the GG thread, we don't really need to hear it all again here on a Jade thread. If I feel like being told how wrong I was for not liking GG cables, I'd just go back to the GG threads. :)

I mean really....that "you need to let them burn in another 300 hours" excuse is really old. I understand that Jade cables are not for everyone, why don't others seem to understand this?
If you don't like Jade, fine, I don't care. I won't tell you that you need to listen to them for another month to "get them".
From my experiences GG and VD fans are the most fanatical cable fans out there. Passion can be a good thing, but c'mon, let's not become stalkers, lurking in any thread that might say something not glowing about our favorite cable. Sheesh....

Cheers,
John

I have had both the Jade and GG cables. Both are excellent. I was not able to do a head to head comparison of the two so I can't really say or want to get into a this cable is better than that discussion of the two brands. Suffice it to say I own neither now. I went with Mosaic Chimera cables from Intuitive Audio Design. Know what? I don't even look at cable ads anymore or think of upgrading. It's a great feeling too. Seems like a couple other people on this thread have achieved audio nirvana with their cable preferences too, and isn't that what it's all about.

I think this response from a member on another thread fits well here.
Basic Hyberphysics 101

Posted by Aball

"As far as I can tell, the break in effect is not due to the conductor or the dielectric, but rather the INTERFACE between the two. This interface, where conductor meets dielectric, has charge there due to dissimilar materials. It is basically static charge like you get when you rub your feet on carpet. It is the friction that produces the charge.

When you move cables around and bend them to get them connected to your gear, you are moving the dielectric relative to the conductor since in a curve, the outer side moves more than the inner side. This differential speed causes a charge build up on the surface of the conductor that remains there since the dielectric is not electrically conductive.

But when an electrical signal (e.g., music) goes through the cable, a magnetic field is generated around the conductor (called Ampere's Law). This field interacts with the electrostatic charge present at the outer surface. As with anything in nature, an equilibrium of the charges has to occur since energy is being pumped through. The time it takes for these charges to stabilize (or get eliminated?) is what would be the "break in" time. Cardas on his website has a blurb about this. I think it is called "triboelectric charge" in technical terms.

I think some cable makers try to get around this problem by leaving an air gap between the conductor and insulator. Tara Labs does this in their high-end models and a couple others do too I believe. It is a clever idea but hard to make in practice.

I am a believer in cable break in ever since I conducted an experiment. I had two identical MIT T2 cables. One was new and the other was used heavily and still in the system. I took the new ones and twisted them in all directions to increase the potential effect. Then I carefully removed the installed pair and put in the tortured new pair. The difference was totally obvious - particularly in the high frequencies. The used pair was distinctly smoother than the brash-sounding new pair. I was then going to twist up the old pair and retry but never did.

But I also think our brains change too. We spend every moment of our life getting used to things and we all know that if you are cooking in the kitchen, you can't smell the food - but that doesn't mean the food isn't there.

Well, as my lawyer tells me, it seems as if I need to make a point of clarification. It seems that a GG disciple misconstrued one of my earlier posts and went whining to Steve at GG. Steve sent me a PM and we had a chat. It seems, I can't really say how, but the claim is when taken out of context, some may have intepreted that I claimed that Steve would not offer me a refund after 30 days.

First of all, I never said, nor did I mean to imply this. As Steve said in his e-mail to me, he has no formal 30 day trial period. I ordered a custom pair of GG Revelations speaker cables with full knowledge that there would be no trial period. I tried them for a month or so and decided, for sonic reasons, to go back to my PAD Dominus cables for reasons that my lawyer advises me not to speak of.

I never asked Steve for a refund because he made it clear up front that there would be no trial period on a custom made pair of cables. I have since sold the GG Revelation speaker cables in question to a gent in Venezuela. I have also moved on from the PAD Dominus speaker cables. Steve did recommend 100-150 hours of break in when I bought the cables, which they received. Steve never recommended the 300+ extended hour audition, that number came from the GG fanatics.

I did not point out GG as an example, my comment was:

"The one problem I have with cable manufacturers in general is that many tend to keep increasing the 'break-in' period, but they don't seem to be increasing the money back guarantee trial period."

My lawyer has advised me to point out in this statement the 'cable manufacturers in general' phrase for those that have trouble understanding English 101. The GG disciples would have you believe that GG is one of the companies that recommends a longer break in period. Steve would only say that some have found this to be so. It's not a formal reco from GG.

So I was wrong about GG, they are not one of the manufacturers who are extending recommended break in time. The 300-400 hour number seems to have just been made up on these boards from GG owners, not from the manufacturer.

Hopefully this fully satisfies all GG owners, who can now head back to their GG threads and dance happily ever after.

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