Hi Sean/Aceto,
All this about the Ringmat being a band aid?
I have no axe to grind other than I use them on two vastly differing tables.I have tried all sorts of mats and still prefer these to anything I have tried(on two of my tables).
I agree they might be overpriced so after deciding I prefered the 'presentation' bought the second one used.
Check out the Shindo labs and various others for seriously overpriced mats.
I reckon there's more labour in a ringmat than a circle cut from a sheet of carbon fibre mat that costs $300+.
A mat, like an arm or cartridge will alter the sound but not nearly as much as what the table is sited on.
Both Linn & Xerxes sound much better on a wall shelf mounted to a solid outside wall as opposed to a table/rack.
IMO opinion the Xerxes mini table should have been part of the table and the Trampolin is a piece of utter nonsense.
Heavy/massy shelves are contrary to Linn's philosophy as is a second suspension system (what the h--l are wobbly feet if not the former?)
The table that really made my jaw drop was an Oracle Delphi/Sumiko/Koetsu but that was 20 years ago and the sound my Linn or Xerxes make after lots of work & tweaking just makes me wonder
a)how they would compare to the Oracle ?
b)how can I get my cd player (which I love) to close the gap and sound as much like 'real' musicians in the room ?
The first is not easy to answer here as dollars go straight to pounds and an Oracle costs £3,200 here in it's basic form.
Results with home made Lenco plinths have caused me to question the money I have tied up in the tables I already have - this is not knocking the manufacturers - they have their overheads.
I just wonder what would be achieveable by virtue of DIY when you look at the old Empire used by Atmasphere - if guys who make amps as radical as their products decide to spend that kind of money 'tarting' up a relic, there must be some merit.
Horses for courses, the more of the wall the better and as long as it's pleasing on the ears.
Jeez, wine & posting :
Aceto, if you can get a Cetech carbon fibre sub chassis for the Linn, try it. It cures most of the negatives laid against the Linn sound and is fairly cheap compared to Cirkus & Lingo mods, which to my mind are way overpriced for the advantage gained.
SME's and Avid's make me wonder if a metal guitar would sound as sterile??
Si
All this about the Ringmat being a band aid?
I have no axe to grind other than I use them on two vastly differing tables.I have tried all sorts of mats and still prefer these to anything I have tried(on two of my tables).
I agree they might be overpriced so after deciding I prefered the 'presentation' bought the second one used.
Check out the Shindo labs and various others for seriously overpriced mats.
I reckon there's more labour in a ringmat than a circle cut from a sheet of carbon fibre mat that costs $300+.
A mat, like an arm or cartridge will alter the sound but not nearly as much as what the table is sited on.
Both Linn & Xerxes sound much better on a wall shelf mounted to a solid outside wall as opposed to a table/rack.
IMO opinion the Xerxes mini table should have been part of the table and the Trampolin is a piece of utter nonsense.
Heavy/massy shelves are contrary to Linn's philosophy as is a second suspension system (what the h--l are wobbly feet if not the former?)
The table that really made my jaw drop was an Oracle Delphi/Sumiko/Koetsu but that was 20 years ago and the sound my Linn or Xerxes make after lots of work & tweaking just makes me wonder
a)how they would compare to the Oracle ?
b)how can I get my cd player (which I love) to close the gap and sound as much like 'real' musicians in the room ?
The first is not easy to answer here as dollars go straight to pounds and an Oracle costs £3,200 here in it's basic form.
Results with home made Lenco plinths have caused me to question the money I have tied up in the tables I already have - this is not knocking the manufacturers - they have their overheads.
I just wonder what would be achieveable by virtue of DIY when you look at the old Empire used by Atmasphere - if guys who make amps as radical as their products decide to spend that kind of money 'tarting' up a relic, there must be some merit.
Horses for courses, the more of the wall the better and as long as it's pleasing on the ears.
Jeez, wine & posting :
Aceto, if you can get a Cetech carbon fibre sub chassis for the Linn, try it. It cures most of the negatives laid against the Linn sound and is fairly cheap compared to Cirkus & Lingo mods, which to my mind are way overpriced for the advantage gained.
SME's and Avid's make me wonder if a metal guitar would sound as sterile??
Si