ARC System with JL Audio F110 subs


I would like to add a pair of F110 subs to my Focal mains with my all ARC front end. I cannot seem to locate the thread but read some time ago about an issue related to the impedance of my REF 3 balanced output 2 to the JL subs, I was under the impression that I could simply run the L and R balanced outputs to each respective subs balanced input and then fine tune through the phase, trim, frequency and LP filter settings. The issue related to higher demand load on the REF 3 due to impedance issues? If anyone could shed light on this would be greatly appreciated.
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The REF 3 has a recommended minimum load impedance of 20K. The input impedance of the F110's balanced inputs is 202K, which is very high and won't be a problem, even in combination with the additional load presented by the input impedance of the main power amp (assuming the input impedance of the power amp has at least a little bit of margin relative to the 20K minimum).

The input impedance of the F110's unbalanced inputs, btw, is only 10K, which would be too low.

I assume, also, that you would be using the other of the REF 3's two balanced outputs to connect to the main power amp. That is preferable to using an unbalanced output to connect to one destination and a balanced output to connect to the other destination. The reason being that I'm pretty certain that the REF 3's balanced and unbalanced outputs are not independent of each other, the signal provided to the RCA connector being the same as the signal that is provided to pin 2 of the XLR connector, so using the RCA and XLR connectors simultaneously would introduce at least a slight imbalance of impedance levels and noise levels to the XLR's balanced signal pair. That won't be an issue assuming you are using the XLR outputs for both destinations.

A final point: If the length of the cables to either destination (main power amp or sub) is particularly long, make a point of choosing low capacitance cables (e.g., something like 25 pf/foot or less). The sum of the capacitances of the cables to BOTH destinations, if great enough, could cause at least a slight rolloff of the upper treble content of the signals received by the main power amp, by interacting with the 600 ohm balanced output impedance of the preamp. I wouldn't have any concern with pretty much any reasonably designed cable, though, if the TOTAL of the lengths of the runs to the BOTH destinations is say 25 feet or less.

Enjoy! Regards,
-- Al
thanks for the details Al. My intensions are to use the balanced REF 3 outputs solely, one pair to my REF 75 and one from each channel to the respective subs. Currently I feed to the REF 75 through pair of 1 meter Transparent Musiclink (somewhat entry level) and should be able to get away with the same in a 2 meter pair if I position the subs beside and to the inside of my mains. I just read a good article in this months issue of The Absolute Sound by Jonathan Valin in respect to the set up of the 10" JL
E sub in a 2 channel configuration by utilizing SPL meter and the Soundoctor Test CD V 2.6.1. thanks again for your input....Rob
I have a REF5 and just bought a JL F112 sub. I ran the cables the same way you did. After a while (in my case) I realize it was a waste of time and money. I have decided to go one step further. I bought an active Xover (and now you need to have an open mind) the output of the REF5 goes directly to the Xover. The high pass filter of the Xover go to your amplifier, the low pass filter to your sub. Now you can choose the Xover point and the type of the filter and slope you want. For me it is a win win situation.