At This Time Can We Recreate Full Range Live Music In The Home?


I read on this web site some members claim they go to the symphony orchestra and are "convinced" their system reproduces the experience. I agree with vocals, light percussion, acoustic music, light jazz, the best systems come very close. My experience comes from being a semi professional drummer for 40+ years. I currently have acoustic and electronic drums in my home. I play in a huge open space with 20 foot cathedral ceilings. I think I can state that I know what live drums sound like. Can even the six figure systems reproduce the attack and decay of a 20 inch crash cymbal? I say "maybe" in the future but not now! What makes me laugh is we audiophiles myself included will spend many, many thousands of dollars trying to reproduce the sound of a $20 triangle or a $15 woodblock or a $10 shaker. Play the song Aja by Steely Dan. I can play on my system the drum solo by the great Steve Gadd at realistic volume levels-if you dare -but it is not the same as real drums!! I don’t know if I can’t convince people that are not musicians. Not putting non-musicians down. Quoting my dad, "You don’t have to be a horse to be a horse doctor." Another quote by John Lennon. Someone asked him what he was listening to. He responded, "Dripping water."  It would be interesting to know how many of the greatest producers/engineers are or are not musicians or vocalists.
Some statistics: Soft drums 105dB, hard drums up to 130dB, kick drum/timpani 106-111dB, ride cymbal 101dB, toms 110dB, ride bell 115dB, crash 113dB, snare 120dB, rimshot 125dB. I have a system that could produce 125dB, would I -NO WAY I value my #1 instrument -my ears. So the drums are playing at 125dB peaks, now add in the other 80+ members of the symphony orchestra-how loud now? I ask again, can we at this time reproduce accurately the power of a symphony orchestra in the home? For many of us this is the Holy Grail of being an audiophile - Keep Searching!
wweiss
@wweiss --

I ask again, can we at this time reproduce accurately the power of a symphony orchestra in the home?

The "power" of a live full scale symphony orchestra is very much about a sum of things and as such a composite term, so much indeed that the recording itself does quite a lot to minimize any attempt at a replicated experience when reproduced. Power, other than SPL is also about scale, size of image and a sense of the whole location while being totally effortless at that, which is to say the need for sheer physics to be accommodated and the ability to image properly - in a larger space/at a proper distance. Implementation is paramount, acoustically as well (i.e.: I loath over-deadened rooms from too much absorption; it kills the energy and expansion of sound, and has nothing to do with a live sound imprinting), but it's all for nothing if the speakers can't fill the space effortlessly at any desired SPL to begin with (and remember: you always need more capability than you'll ever need - it's called 'headroom'). I believe the latter part is usually underestimated, if it's even prioritized.

More specifically to the question posed: even if we wanted to, not really. Not if the impression and experience of a live acoustic symphony orchestra in a large auditorium is dear to you, and you truly take it in. Nothing reproduced comes significantly close in my experience, and in any case we can only do so much with what's afforded us via the limited nature of the recording itself. 

@mijostyn --

Wow, more of you are saying no than I would have expected. This tells me many have yet to hear a 1st class system.

I'd say it's about maintaining the importance and comprehending the nature of a live acoustic event, and being honest to that. You can't possibly speak on behave of a plethora of set-ups you've heard as anything being representative, other than (mostly) your own; 8 ft. floor-to-ceiling ESL's and sub-augmented at that isn't your daily cup of tea, even among more all-out assaults in audiophilia, and it's an important physics part wholly missing in most set-ups to approximate and truer live imprinting.  

The best systems actually have better sound than you get at most concerts and easily match the volume levels if that is what you want.

What's your specific concert context here? A live acoustic event IS the reference, unless you're badly seated and the acoustics play a severe trick on you. It seems to me you're after something else than live sound qua live sound. Matching live sound levels can be somewhat ameliorated in a home environment due to constricted spacing, which at the same time is a potential problem per above earlier mentioned; one needs "power" as it plays out in proper, not too constricted spacings, which in turn places more demands on the speakers and their size and SPL capabilities.  
As frequently the case, MC says it best. Electrically reproduced music is an art. Art is a vehicle that “comments” on aspects of life.
When does Art become Life? When there is a suspension of disbelief. As with a stereo system of a certain quality, there are surely elements of that Art that touch our sensibilities and engender an emotional response. Is Art actually life? Is the sound of a great stereo system life... no. Is it enjoyable... yes!
No.  It's all a recreated illusion.  And I'm glad of it.

1.  In my apartment, every disk I play Always sounds exactly the same.  Never had I been attended a Live Performance and gotten EXACTLY the same performance as the night or two ago playing the same program.  Nor have I performed and experienced that "same" performance as the night before.  For the better or worst.

2. A solo artist with a guitar would fit in my apartment.  4 musicians maybe. Symphony Orchestra, No way.

3.  There is more to music than achieving high SPLs of Live Music.  What about the pianissimos?  Or the No Play (rest) notes.  The space between the notes you hear.  Just as important.
Holy moly! Drums?!   I played in jazz bands.  When we were all were mic'd.  Most of the time the drum set was not.  When we were not mic'd, I/we could not play over that drummer.  In an orchestra of 100+ musicians.  There usually is only 1 each percussion instrument.  When there was a need for multiples of them, the 100 became 150+.   When I got called in as a "bumper" the usual 4-5 of became 8 of us in the french horn section.

4.  My system can't.  If it could I would get evicted if I even come close to the spl of a live performance.  My neighbor had taken to his electric guitar 2:30 in the morning.  Bars closes at 2.  I thought it was hilarious.  Landlord didn't.   Girlfriend is still here.  He is not.
A fascinating aspect of this I forgot to mention, it was Eric Alexander being a professional drummer who was upset with the inability of even SOTA audio to reproduce that sound that motivated him to invent his MTM array. His Tekton speakers are phenomenal success. So in spite of the fact no one really wants an actual drum kit in their home (well almost no one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVFFjp90ouU ) we do appreciate being able to get reasonably close.
Altec voice of theater 
Jbl big studio monitors.  
Most Home audio speaker are designed to sound good to our ears in so many different ways at low medium volumes.  Listening to a live jazz or orchestra performing using compression drivers 15-18 inch low frequency drivers . These speakers are designed to be more efficient more dynamic and take a lot of wattage to produce the dynamics you are experiencing.  I personally have four different set of large speakers with a sensitivity at 95 to 97db at 1 watt. Some have 15 or 18 inch woofers but all have compression drivers. I prefer the sound I hear from my speakers to regular dome or paper tweeters with 8 10 or 12 inch woofers.  Don't get me wrong the smaller speakers sound fantastic. My ears 👂prefer the dynamics of the larger speakers but I am running out of room in my man cave