Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy


"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler

@mikepowellaudio
 As far as your four questions about how precieved things like Soundstage are measured? I guess you don't like or have any room in your life for Diraclive! Which by the way seems to do a pretty dang good job at not only measuring room accoustics, but also Width, Depth, Soundstage and so much more. THis is not saying that I agreed or dissagree with ASR. I wouldn't know one of their people if he fell from the 4th story in front of me. I just think that many of the comments here are as assignine as what ASR is said to quote. The lack of technical knowlege of these people astounds me.

@fleschler I don't know anyting about ASR but the numbers of people on the chat that have no clue about the making of high end audio is astounding. Just like your comment about PRAT. Can you mix metaphores any more? I love PS Ausio's response to that question. That is like comparing Horse power to tire pressure.
https://www.psaudio.com/askpaulvideo/what-is-prat/

I don't mind a helthy back and forth on a topic but this is nonsense for the most part and just more Cancel Culture nonsense form people that I would like to respect but as I told the moderators, it is getting hard to respect many of the people here anymore. Most of the time  I spend trying to bring some ballance to the conversation and I only get called out and told that I don't even know my own words. Like on this very post were one person told me that I actually meant to say something different than what I said. I think I know  what I meant to say.

@thyname 

This is my last post on this thread. I learned a few days ago from my friend, screenshots of every single post of mine in this thread were sent to ASR. Along with a printout of my LinkedIn page, real persona, photo, current employment, work history, the whole nine yards of my private info. And I know who sent it. It did not surprise me.

 

 

That's 5 surprising sentences in a row.

Each one more disturbing than the one before it.

At the very least people should lock down their own personal details as far as they can.

No one should have any right to share someone's else's employment and work history online without consent.

Here in the UK we have GDPR legislation to stop things like that, not that it stops tech giants like Google and Facebook from collating as much personal data as they can.

However, even they are not supposed to share it with others.

If you're certain that this data breach has happened, at the very least you should contact ASR and ask for its immediate removal.

@esarhaddon I have not seen this extensive a critique of ASR and I’ve been an Audiogon member for more than a decade. I am relating my experience and note others including the @thyname’s theft of his personal information by an ASR member with numerous identities. What you refer to as nonsense and cancel culture is exactly what I am attempting to reverse. You are free to disagree but somehow I find your attitude opposite to mine. I DO NOT want anyone to put words in my mouth (that we can agree on) which is exactly what about two dozen ASR members did to my posts, render them opposite to what I intended and clearly stated.

esarhaddon,Has it occurred to you that some people are more sensitive to timing and rhythm that others?That we do not all hear the same?Some people have very poor sense of rhythm.They are bad dancers.They are not the people you would want to play in the rhythm section in your band.Or be audio reviewers.Or perhaps ridicule others for whom such things are heard and are important.

I own many speakers but will always keep a pair of Gale 401 speakers because they excel at rhythm and timing.If you search the web for opinions and reviews of these classic speakers that facet of their sound is very frequently mentioned.They boogie.Or perhaps all the people who own and love them are suffering from some sort of mass delusion?