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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
fleschler OP
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I don’t think you understand. Dramatic differences should be heard by most listeners. Subtle differences are more nuanced and may require some musical and or audio (learned) abilities beyond what most people can easily detect or appreciate.   If you think that dramatic differences cannot be heard, that's your opinion and certainly not the majority of Audiogon members.  

prof
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@crymeanaudioriver

Congrats!  Your $800 is in the mail  ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

henry99
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@prof 

Ha!  Minus the religious proselytizing of AA.  For some I suppose it could be a similar detox from being marinated in audiophile myths ;-) 

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room forum is now dumber for having listened to it. You have sunk to the pits of irrelevance, and may God have mercy on your soul.

prof
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@fleschler 

 

You've avoided answering the question, and missed the point.

People can imagine "dramatic" differences.  They really, really can. 

Like I said, if we really want to get at what is true, it doesn't matter how much conviction someone has in their belief or claim; what matters is the plausibility and the evidence for that claim.

And as I've pointed out: the approach at ASR is acknowledging one can be wrong in what we believe or seem to perceive, and offers ways of learning one is wrong, and helping to settle questions in dispute - through evidence.

 

Whereas you keep repeating versions where you simply assume your perception is reliable, as you have done again, which is begging exactly the question at hand.

And you don't offer a method for how anyone could show you are in error.

So far, your position still seems to be a form of dogmatism - "Some differences that I hear are OBVIOUS and that's that!  Nothing can show I'm wrong!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

invalid
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@prof 

 

I wonder if the people at ASR could pick out the difference between a dac with a signal to noise ratio of 90db vs one with with 110db in a blind test? Probably not.

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