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Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy

"Audiophiles are Snobs"  Youtube features an idiot!  He states, with no equivocation,  that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good.  He is either deaf or a liar or both! 

There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review.  If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public.  They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better.   They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance.   Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.  

Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?  

fleschler
crymeanaudioriver
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The statement you quoted is a business decision by the vendor - time limit 30 days or so? Who pays for all the fuses that are returned within that time period, because they didn’t like them?

With a margin of likely well over 1000%, I don't think some returns or even a lot of returns is an issue. Even 50% would be totally acceptable.

 

Either you make a product that people wanna keep for the duration of their expected lives, or refund them if it is faulty.  Not simply because ya tried and didn't like - that is such an expensive business decision whereby the consumer takes on the risks of other consumers before him who were didn't like the fuse.

 

Amazon's return rate I think is close to 20%.

 

 

noske
783 posts
 

 It's perfectly legal to offer a "cash and carry, as-is, no refund" policy.

Now we are off topic but with the grace of the mods - that policy is common for used goods, of course. 

I speak only of new items.  That narrows it down. If I sold you a new IPhone with the no refund policy I'd be breaking the law of my country,   Which is not America.

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russ69
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While ASR-ers don’t actually perform DBT or similar nearly as often as they demand it of others

If a DBT is done, you have to count each test, no matter the number of participants, as a single data point. Because the test results may be biased. So, the number of tests required to be statistically significant goes well past the majority of tests ever reported. Make the sample of tests large enough to be statistically significant and you are at the man on the street level of participants, not trained listeners. And that is how you get Bose level of audio quality. 

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jerryg123
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@amir_asr makes a lot of assumptions. Assuming what ones ideas on audio are. Amir I for one will never point a browser at your site nor click on a link you post.

You can assume I am not interested in your findings on audio equipment I have zero interest in. You are correct you are not a scientist nor an engineer. Nor are you a professional reviewer, you are average joe with some software and that is it.

No need to respond as someone here said you monkeys will respond I could care even less about there opinions. 
 

 

kota1
2,706 posts
 

Blind testing at Harmon/Infinity (PS- Don’t try this at home kids!!)

 

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