Avalon: Eidolon vs Opus vs Opus Ceramique

I still think there is a house sound to Avalon. Their 3D
imaging is absolutely stunning. The cabinetry and parts quality is first rate, some of the best. I find the drawbacks are the pricing though I think you can get them at some sort of discount now, the room placement is extremely
critical, they can made to sound like Cerwin Vegas if you
do not place them correctly, and to get the best out of them
you need superior electronics. Kelly flamed me once about
the Eidolons. The first time I heard them, they were awful
the Cerwin Vega effect. I said so in an audiogon thread. Kelly flamed me bad. I listened a second time at a different store, there they were set up properly. They were glorious in their holographic sound. I then praised them. Kelly and I now have a truce. Kelly will defend Avalon to the death, that is his audiogon right. DON'T BITCH, DEFEND YOURSELF,
that is YOUR RIGHT.

Hard for me to imagine any Avalon product described as sounding like Cerwin Vega. Imaging problems can be due to any number of factors. Any full range speaker (of which I certainly believe the Eidolon to be) will be more critical of room placement and associated equipment than those with limited bass extension. Also, the Eidolon requires significantly more break-in than the 300 hours discussed in the owner's manual. You can hear the difference between 1,000 and 500 hours easily. IMO this is the single largest reason for sub-optimal demonstrations of Avalon products (in particular the Eidolon and Opus).

Kelly has the right to defend Avalon. Kelly does NOT have the right to call others liars when they say they own the speakers but don't agree with his every opinion. I thought the idea of a moderated forum was to keep this kind of crap off the internet - why is Kelly allowed to continue?

I'm so sick of cfb's infantile behaviour, particularly as of late. His childish, inane aspersions cast at anybody who doesn't agree with his opinion have grown tiresome, and should not be allowed. His hit and run tactics, manifest on more than one thread as of late speak volumes about character, or lack thereof. And what of Audiogon, why do they continue to not curb this type of behavior? He's accusing people of lying,however you look at it, and personally e-mailing individuals that denigrate other forum participants (yes, there are copies) And now I see that the thread he started on misc. re " should dealers be allowed to post", (not TOO obvious what the intent was) has mysteriously disappeared, conveniently after a rather pointed comment from S2K dude. What a coincidence! I truly enjoy these forums, and hope to continue to do so. I hope this kind of CRAP doesn't wear thin on Arnie to the point he nixes the forums, they are and have been of great value to me. Sorry, Arnie, by merely responding I'm a part of the crap, but I hope this get's printed, fully well knowing Kelly allegedly represents Audiogon. In summary: I DON'T NEED NO STINCKIN HOLIER THAN THOU HYPOCRITES TO CONDESCEND TO TELL ME WHAT'S GOOD FOR ME AND "PROTECT ME" FROM BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ON THIS SITE. Particularly when their hidden ( yea, right) agenda is merely to disparage anyone who doesn't agree with their myopic view of things. Not to mention that many are doing precisely that against which they so vehemently preach. Can you say hypocrisy? Mark

i'm sorry. i was given bogus information, which i should have questioned. i was pissed at my hockey team. i had one too many makers marks. i was stupid. i deserve and accept all the negative comments i've received on this thread and others. so, i'm not gonna' be posting for awhile. mea culpa.
-Kelly