I have previously owned a BAT VK-500w/BAT pak, it was a good amplifier for its time. It was a touch on the dark side and not the last word in resolution or transparency but then again it was not priced like it was. Yes there are better ss amps out there, but the BAT's can run toe to toe with most similiar priced amps. I do agree that there tube amps offer a better "value".