Bricasti M1 DAC vs PS Audio Direct Stream DAC

I would love to if I had $30,000.00 to spend on amps. I bet they sound incredible but def over my head. Maybe a used pair down the road in a few years would be killer... Thanks for the input though :)

Guys, my Bricasti is still get better and better. Man its impressive.

UPGRADE: I added a SOtM SMS-100.

I goes between your DAC and your computer (PC or MAC).

Rather than hooking your USB cable to the computer then to your DAC you hook this between them. One end goes to your DAC on the end your internet router via Ethernet cable. It take all the computer power line noise/crap out of the signal path and its and awesome upgrade.

Huge upgrade and it is only $435.00.

I owned a few weeks back and didn't like it because with JRiver MediaCenter 19 there was not way to use the EQ and DSP options. EQ / DSP are 100% mandatory when using JRiver on computer as source so so I sold it.

I found out the newest version JRiver MediaCenter 20 now lets you use the EQ/DSP feature when using the SOtM SMS-100.

The EQ and DSP features are mandatory when using a computer so if you are not using those reach out to me because you have no idea how much you are missing. Well JRiver MediaCenter 20 has it all. It allows the use via the DLNA and it works outstanding and is a huge upgrade.

For you Bricasti owners or DirestStream owners that use a computer / USB as a source this is a must add and its cheap!

DirectStream owners this sounds much better than the wireless Bridge also. With the DirectStream I owned the bridge used it but when I bought a really good USB cable I liked the USB better, quite a bit better than the Bridge and this is much better than both so wanted to share.

Thanks

Hi Fsmithjack, and others, happy owner of Bricasti M1 for two years now here.

I haven’t been reading a lot on this topic since I bought M1 a year ago, you guess, I was listening to music instead. I upgraded from Bryston BDA-1 and without going into any comments on price differences I would just say M1 put me in the different league. BDA-1 is fantastic DAC for money but I believe (to some extent) that you get what you pay for in the end. BDA-1 taught me one thing tough: I don’t like up-sampling! Since up-sampling feature can be engaged or bypassed on this DAC it didn’t took me long to find out that I always prefer not-up-sampled sound regardless of incoming sample rate. Yes, to me red book (16/44.1) sounds better if played ‘just as is’ without any up-sampling or conversion to DSD like many DACs do internally without even giving you the option to bypass. The fact that M1 doesn’t up-sample or convert but simply get the most out of the native incoming digital format was one of the major reasons I took Bricasti M1 into consideration after reading fantastic review in Stereophile magazine. My unit already came with new power supply and so far I upgraded firmware once to get DSD playback and that was it. I had pleasure to speak with Brian few times at audio shows and we exchanged few e-mails after and I can only say this is the best you can get in terms of customer support and responsiveness overall. Brian is very nice guy to deal with and responds in a matter of hours if not minutes if you have a question or need any help.

On sound I wouldn’t repeat what others already sad but I can say M1 brought me closest to the sound of original studio master, analog or digital regardless…Having worked for some years in music recording industry I was happy enough to hear how ‘original masters’ or ‘live feed’ sounds so I could compare.

I also transferred my vinyl collection to PCM 24/192 format on Tascam DVR-1000 Master Digital Recorder and was surprised when I played these recording first time on M1. Finally difference between original analog sound from turntable and digital copy disappeared. With BDA-1 digital copy sounded very good but it was always ‘something’ that was missing, funny thing is that you can notice this first by focusing on vinyl anomalies like clicks and pops which were slightly muffled and slow comparing to analog signal from turntable. I think M1 does fantastic job recreating timing so transients and everything else sounds just natural.

And since nothing is perfect here is my question to everyone reading this thread:

DSD reproduction??? What is your experience with DSD files playing through M1? I admit I didn’t read all postings in this tread but in the most of I’ve read I didn’t find single comment on DSD sound through M1?! I’ve been puzzled since we’re comparing M1 to PS Audio DSD DAC which in essence is DSD machine and if I’m not mistaken all audio regardless of sampling rate is up-sampled to DSD first and then decoded to analog. It’s kind of strange no one is mentioning this that should’ve been natural strength of PS Audio DAC?!

I’m asking this since I feel DSD files don’t sound as good as PCM on M1. To be clear the best DSD (SACD) I’ve heard so far in my home is from Esoteric DV-50 universal player which I sold when I bought OPPO BDP-105. I thought OPPO will do everything as Esoteric + Blue Ray but in terms of DSD reproduction it never sounded as good as Esoteric. Then I thought I’m expecting $1100 player to sound like $7000 one which is not correct so M1 will fix that. I ripped all my SACDs using PS3 station to DSD files but it couldn’t match Esoteric either.

Simply, M1 and OPPO DSD reproduction sounds too mellow, it doesn’t have a bite and live flesh I’ve used to hear from Esoteric DV-50. Going from DSD 2 to DSD 0 filters in M1 slightly improve experience but nothing significant. SACD played through Esoteric sounded full bodied, extremely fast with top notch transient response and lifelike dynamics while M1 and OPPO give me decent sound to listen to but sometimes I feel it’s even better to listen to CD layer from SACD disc because it sounds faster and more relax then SACD. Possible reason could be that M1 internally converts DSD to PCM before decoding and OPPO is doing the same?! PC Audio does exactly vice versa, converting PCM to DSD before decoding so I would expect it to sound better with native DSD files? Anyone that can comment on this?

To be clear even if this is drawback of M1 I would still keep it considering as minor flaw since the way it’s does PCM is much more important to me, I have maybe 5% of my music in DSD format but I want to hear from other M1 owners if they noticed the same?

However I would like to know if there is any DAC in the market that does PCM and DSD in native manner, all the way through, without converting from one to another format and of course doesn’t cost arm and leg?:).

My system:

1. Customized Zuma design finless PC / SOtM tX-USBexp Audiophile PCIe to USB Audio Card / SOtM mBPS-d2s Intelligent Battery Power Supply / Wireworld Platinum Starlight USB Cable
2. JRiver Media Center 19 (Playback from Memory, dsd over pcm dop)
3. Bricasti M1
4. Mark Levinson No.326S Pre-amplifier (0 dB gain set internally, preamp acts only as buffer as I’m using it’s analog ladder volume control instead of using M1 digital one). Besides I have other analog source components (turntable, Tuner, DSD analog playback from OPPO and Tascam) so I need preamp in my system.
5. Mark Levinson No.436 mono-block power amplifiers
6. Revel Ultima Salon2 loudspeakers
7. Audience Au24e Speaker cables (Bi-Wire)

Guys, what filter settings are you using for DSD on the M1?

04-17-15: Neno

Welcome and thanks for all the great info. A couple of quick things. I don't have a lot of time but on these:

" Simply, M1 and OPPO DSD reproduction sounds too mellow, it doesn't have a bite and live flesh I’ve used to hear from Esoteric DV-50 "

This is not a matter of the M1 not sounding as good or vs the DV-50 but the Oppo as a transport vs the DV-50 transport. If you used a DV-50 as a transport with a consummate (expensive / high quality coax cable) to M1 and compared that sound to the internal DACs in the DV-50 you would get a real feel for the difference in the DACs because the M1 can't be asked to make up for the lack of premium transport that DV-50 offers as compared to the oppo. The transport really matter as I have learned more about int he post. You were exactly right when you said "I’m expecting $1100 player to sound like $7000". The problem there is in the transport and coax not the DAC's in the M1.

Second

"I’m not mistaken all audio regardless of sampling rate is up-sampled to DSD first and then decoded to analog. It’s kind of strange no one is mentioning this that should’ve been natural strength of PS Audio DAC?"

The reason its not being mentioned as a strength is because in the end its about how it sounds. How ever this cat gets skinned in the end if one sounds better it doesn't really matter if one company claims some way of going about it is better if another implementation sound better than that's were the buck stops. Plus the M1 has so many more resources as it cost so much more that they can focus on those critical area of power supply, output stage, filtering, etc.

Also,

" I don’t like up-sampling"

" The fact that M1 doesn’t up-sample or convert but simply get the most out of the native incoming digital format was one of the major reasons I took Bricasti M1 into consideration after reading fantastic review in Stereophile magazine"

Sorry don't mean to bum you out but the M1 think this is working different than you hoped...

M1 D/A Conversion: 24 bit delta sigma 8x oversampling.

From M1 Manual:

Pressing STATUS a second time will take you to a display of the actual output sample rate. In most cases this will be 352.8k as this is 8 x 44.1k of the CD sample rate. If the source is DSD then 2.822 or 5.644 Mhz will be displayed.

Note: The the M1 uses delta sigma 8 x oversampling conversion so it is not recommended to “up-sample” the digital audio that is being sent to the M1. Defeat all up-sampling features in your media player or CD transport. Up-sampling the data before the M1 will yield poor results and always use the original source audio bit and sample rates, so for example if the source is 44.1k then send this data unprocessed to the M1and let the M1 reconstruct the data correctly

Thanks for joining us chatt! Great system also !!!