Brinkmann/Spiral Groove/TW Acustic Black Night...?


Hi,

I'm seriously considering one of these turntables at the moment, and I would truly appreciate any opinions regarding them related to sonics, reliability, flexibility, ease of use & maintenance etc.

The candidates are:

- Brinkmann Balance anniversary (turntable, 10.5 tonearm, Ti-cartridge, tube power supply, HRS-platform)

- Spiral Groove SG1 + Centroid tonearm

- TW Acustic Black Night + Raven 10.5 tonearm

The price for these setups (used or new) are quite similar when adding a cartridge within the 4-5000$ price range to the Spiral Groove and TW Acoustic tables. But, I can get the Black Knight + Raven 10.5 tonearm new at about the same price as the others used.

I'm using the Brinkmann Bardo today, which I believe is a very neutral and reliable table. But, to some degree it doesn't manage to engage me enough emotionally being rather correct and slightly sharp around the edges. What I'm looking for in an upgrade is first and foremost a more generous and musical presentation (warmth, scale, texture, body, flow) - more music and less hifi if you wish.

My taste in music is varied, but I tend to optimize my system based on what I listen to the most (sing- and songwriters), which means that the handling of voices, acoustical instruments and piano are critical.

So far, my gut feeling tells me that the TW Acoustics Black Night might be the answer partnered with the right cartridge.

Of the three, only the Brinkmann Balance is available locally for audition.

My phono is the Zanden 1200 MKIII. The rest of the system consists of an Aesthetix Callisto Eclipse (preamp), Karan KA M2000 (monos) and Sonus Faber Futura (speakers). Cabling is Nordost Valhalla (power) + Kubala Sosna Elation (interconnects).

Any inputs are most welcome!
128x128sidekick_i
@Peterayer

I know the Bardo well, and I've also heard the Balance at the Scandinavian distributor of Brinkmann on two occasions. I believe the Balance to deliver more authority and weight, but being a belt-drive design (compared to the direct-drive of the Bardo), there might be other differences in the presentation as well (which are hard to isolate as the Balance were a part of another system totally).

The TW-tables are most certainly different animals. Based on the testimonals of many owners, the attributes (warmer, fuller etc. - as you describe) might be close to what I'm looking for.

@Syntax

Thanks for valuable advice. I will listen to all tables of course, but I won't be able to try them out in my own system (which is logistically impossible). Buying used means I'm willing to take some risks, potentially passing the table on if things don't work out. Sometimes that's the only way forward for an audiophile with a passion for the slight exotic living in the northern hemisphere :)

@Azjake

Yes, the cartridge may have the most significant impact compared to the table and arm. Harshness/hardness = listening fatigue = less musical enjoyment is (still) my biggest challenge. A change in turntable setup will most certainly only be a part of the solution. I've been working with my room acoustics, speaker positioning, tube rolling etc. for quite some time, and things are slowly moving in the right direction.

I love the compactness and elegance of the Spiral Groove. Refined indeed.

@Ebm

Well, I have to admit I'm a sucker for the design and craft behind the Black Knight...

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In the end, there will always be a rather high degree of gambling involved when choosing new gear as you will never know for sure how things will work out in your system (especially in the long run). Anxiety and thrill goes hand in hand :)

Thanks guys!
Brinkmann Bardo has such good reviews, there was another thread on Bardo versus Oasis, so the direct drive did not suite your taste? I was wondering because the reviews are so favorable, and the direct drive system reasonably unique.
I have a spiral groove sg2 with the tri-planar and I am smitten. Great prat and very musical. Just how vinyl should sound.
@Captain_winters. Well, I guess it's a matter of system matching and personal preferences. The Brinkmann setup is very revealing (which can be a very good or a not so good thing...). I find it hard to really relax and enjoy about 70-80% of my music collection at the moment, which I'm now trying to adress. My analogue front end is probably only one part of the problem.
Dear Sidekick_i: The Azjake advise+++++ " the cartridge itself will be the final arbiter " +++++

seems to me critical ( obviously that the final arbitrer will be you... ) and along that cartridge the next three links in the analog chain are IMHO more critical an important that the TT it self: tonearm, phono stage ( IMHO tube electronics technology , any, is the worst alternative/choose to fulfil the cartridge music needs. ) and where the LP is " seated " in the TT platter ( normally a TT mat. This mat is more important that what we can think. ).

So, IMHO as important as is the TT as more critical are those analog front end subjects.

Maybe could be time that you think again if what your audio system needs is a new TT, maybe you are the one that ask for a new TT.

Anyway, there are several alternatives to improve the quality performance level of your audio system, choose it with care gives you the best rewards.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.