Cable curmudgeon


I'm not an 'audiophile" but I like to think I have a good ear having been a professional musician (principal wind player in major symphony orchestras) for 50 years. A number of years ago going into an excellent audio equipment store I talked with, what seemed, a knowledgeable salesman.  Being a musician experienced in audio systems but not expert on all the equipment out there I had some questions concerning high (over-priced?) end cables. The salesman assured there was an audible differencet in a demo room switching back and forth etc.  After a few minutes I noticed the sound coming out of only one channel.  He complemented me on my "good ear."  Hmmm? A few years later when setting up my home system I investigated speaker cables. Two sets of Monster, stranded standard cable, solid core copper (used for alarm system) attached with like connecters. There was a difference.  However, not in terms of better or worse: bass and treble were acceptable as was clarity loud and soft.  Differences were esthetic- like asking "whose the best tenor" (I like Plácido).  Now I know as a musician used to live (i.e. un-amplified) music that all I hear coming out of a loud speaker is perforce ersatz.  But most everything today comes out of a loud speaker whether a rock concert or a hi-fi system so perhaps my opinion is curmudgeonly. But, for me, spending oodles of money on hyped cables, well... I  liked the solid core for my alarm system- still do.

 

exflute

I really didn’t mean to rile up the MAGA loving or the placebo-denying crowd by pointing out that no one can rank cable audio quality by price (or to promote communism). I’m just pointing out the obvious-- very expensive cables include obscene profit margins and that beyond a certain build and materials quality yield little interchangeable differences that cannot be ranked by price.

You might wonder what kind of system I have-- I use a SOTA Series VI (w/vacuum & mag-lev bearing) with Origin Live Silver mkIII arm, Soundsmith Hyperion cartridge, Musical Fidelity VINYL phone-pre, McCormack DNA Gold amp and preamp, Genesis III speakers+ Genesis Servo-12 subs, Morrow cables (3 series) - for the analog chain, + dedicated power circuits, all copper wiring/grounding.

I can easily hear the differences between my phono cartridges’, between my different phono preamps, changes in speaker positioning, room treatments, vibrations treatments, etc., and yeah, I have tried multiple cables from decent to very expensive, living with them for a while before coming to any conclusions. With cables it’s just trading one set of micro-differences for another with NO relationship between price and ultimate sonic quality-- and frankly, I’d rather listen to music than the gear, which I think is, for some, a kind of obsessive distraction.

Anyway-- I’d bet anyone here that they would never be able to rank a series of cables by audio quality -- say five cables ranging from $200 - $10,000 each.

It’s all in your mind-- so if you want to believe that a $2000 piece of wire will beat a $200 piece of wire, then by all means, go for it! What was it again that P.T. Barnum said? Hope that doesn’t make me a commie!

So $200 is the absolute upper limit on price we should pay on cables? Is it one cable (i.e. power cord, or ICs), or all cables combined? If $200, why not $50? Or free (strip out lamp cord or alarm system wire)? What makes a $200 cable better than a $50 cable?

What makes a $200 cable better than a $50 cable?

 

It sounds better to the listener in a particular system and room.

Other than that:

Beauty is in thy eye of the beholder?

aka

Confirmation Bias?

wesheadley

I really didn’t mean to rile up the MAGA loving or the placebo-denying crowd ...

Huh? The only one who seems riled up here is you.

I’m just pointing out the obvious ...

No, you're engaging in a silly argument. Please don't pretend otherwise.

I have tried multiple cables from decent to very expensive ... it’s just trading one set of micro-differences for another with NO relationship between price and ultimate sonic quality ...

So you acknowledge the differences in cables. Good for you!

The only issues, then, are how important those "micro differences" are to each listener and whether they think any are worth paying for. You clearly think the differences are trivial. What isn't clear is why you expect your opinion to be universally accepted. You probably endure a lot of frustration in your life, so good luck to you.