Cables more hype than value?

Irvrobinson:
Once again you have fought the good fight. All points excellent, and right on point. But this will never end because, There is no incentive for the wire folks to submit to scientific examination. And I mean FINANCIAL incentive. Think about this:

If all the folks who buy, test, review, make and sell this stuff would prove that wire can be heard, this debate would be over before noon today. If they proved it could be heard, the wire business would increase 1000-fold. They would make more money than ever. Hell, I would buy wire!!

Then why don't they do this? well it's the other side of the coin that is holding things up. Failure! If they can't hear it, it's 1929 all over again in the wire business. The scammers would still be rich of course, I am sure the homes in aspen and miami are paid for by now. But, there would be a lot of unhappy campers out there is audio land. Imagine sitting before your system, looking at tens of thousands of dollars worth of, well, wire. Wire that could have been purchased for a few hundred at most. Wire that is now worthless, except for carrying audio signals.

I hope I live to see this fraud exposed. I want to HEAR and SEE what the gurus will say then. Will they be able to show their faces ever again. What will happen to the audio Mags? What a wonderful prospect! I think they will say the equivalent of 'Never Mind'(gildna), and then fade away to enjoy their ill gotten gains. Remember this is not the first or only scam in audio. You people have been had before! It's just the biggest and most lucrative. And it surely will not be the last!

Advice: If you now own very expensive guru wire, SELL IT NOW! No one will ever know. Because when the crash comes, and it will, you won't be left holding the bag. Like the worthless stock certificates of 1929.

Cheers

Rok2id,
This is the last post I'll make on this subject until someone else forgets and posts another thread on the matter, starting it all over again.

Your suggestion on DBT has already been shot down. Your victory screed of rising above the fray, waving your sword, and claiming victory is a poor take on St. Crispens speech. DBT has adherents who say there are no differences in properly designed amps and speakers as well. Next thing you know, people will be driven in cars, flown on planes, seated in restaurants, listen to live opera, all blindfolded, and dared to proclaim differences as to car, aircraft, food and singer and then told it's all in their heads.

But if you feel strongly enough about it, by all means, proceed to the other threads here and do your level best to knock them down as well. With all the threads about cables, amps and speakers, you and the naysayers could make a career of it. Maybe you could do a sequel to "The Prestige".

:-)

All the best,
Nonoise

Anyone else here feel like a dog chasing his tail? LOL!!

This has nothing to do with stereo systems or ears or any of the rest of this audiophile mumbo jumbo. I am speaking of scientific research. No 'audiophiles' allowed!! Just men of medicine and science. They know how to do 'real' research to discover the truth. They can find out if humans can hear wire. Tell them the question, they will find the answer.

The problem is, this subject does not even show up on the radar of normal people. Why would anyone go thru the time, effort and expense to keep a few strange people from self-delusion. They are harmless. Sooo, I don't think we will see my proposal happen anytime soon.

If the scammers made any claims for their product,then they would subject to law suit. And then they would have to prove all this magic in open court. But, they don't make any claims,. the marks do that for them. It's the perfect scam! It also has to be the most profitable business this side of drug dealing, and without the deadly 'gone bad' thingy.

When the Lord was handing out gifts, he shouted BRAINS!, but the wire folks thought he said RAIN, and they ran for cover!

But, like I said, you are harmless, and it's your money. So who really cares. Just a way to pass time on the 'gon.

Cheers

Rok2kid, "If they proved it could be heard"
What if a blind test with multi participants were conducted, as with some members reported experiences (here) in which all in attendance came to the same conclusion that a clear winner was agreed upon in the given test system, was clipped on you tube for the anyone to hear. Would you then be able to make a valued opinion played back through a pair of laptop speakers?