Hi Jpayne, try to add one of the Gryphon integrateds to your list. They have a 100 and 200 watt version. I heard the comparison of the 100 watt Gryphon vs the Concentra ll at my friends store who is a high end audio dealer. We both thought the Gryphon was clearly the better of the two. Could be that the Venture speaker matched better with the Gryphon. IMO it wasn't much of a contest. You may feel differently but I would be surprised. Opinions don't mean much. Your opinion is the only one that matters. Good hunting.