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cause, solution, ideas please...

OK I am born again into the world of vinyl, my humble set-up is as follows:
Onkyo 1027F table
Audio Technica AT-92ED Cartridge
PS Audio 4.5 Pre-amp (with upgraded Cardas Silver Rodium output jacks)
on Navcom Suspension pucks, my table is 5 feet away from my Innersound Eros speaker on a heavy well built stand. I will say that I am not using any special interconnects.
Although I will never expect this to sound like a Walker, or even a Rega table...., but I get the sound of what can best be described as AM radio "like" high frequeny clarity especially in the cymballs and "S's"
Even at my table rigs price and age I dont think that this should be expected performance, if it is then screw vinyl, but please help me figure out what are my options, what may be the cause, and cheap solutions, at what amounts to a roughly $900 set-up (new) I cant imagine this is what should be tolerated.
P.S. my records are well kept and treated with Realistic anti-static cleaner with a velvet brush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PLEASE HELP!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
THANKS CHAD
chadnliz
chadnliz OP
3,736 posts
 
I think I have it figured out thanks to you guys pointing me in the right direction, when I balanced the arm, I set the anti-skate to zero, then moved it to 1.5 per manufature instructions, but I did not do it right, I only moved the anti-skate refrence knob..not inderstanding that I moved the counter weight....stupid mistake on my part thanks all for your help, performance isnt perfect but at this point it is pretty livable, another bonus is now snaps and pops are almost gone....thanks bunches!
aroc
760 posts
 
Hmmm. I get much better than AM radio-quality sound from my $300 MMF-2.1 with it's sub $100 Elan cart. i'm running a HagTech DIY Bugle phono. So something is wrong if you spent $900 and got that sound. Two tweaks I did but it didn't affect the problem you are solving was a Michell record clamp and some $20 cones from Parts Express, to default the stock suspension, spike to my rack, which is spiked to my basement floor. The effect of the clamp is minor in my setup to me, but the cones were a major leap forward.

I'm a relative newbie, but it should like a mismatch problem somewhere (problems with cart VTA or VTF or even alignment issues). I think you are having special problems. No circa.$900 set up should sound like that.
chadnliz OP
3,736 posts
 
Got it all figured out, I didnt pay anything for my Vinyl gear I was simply stating the price level for refrence, it was a mis-adjustment on my part and now it is better, not great but much better.
As a foot note, will adding mass to the table while playing (I have 2 marble triangle nick-nack peices) that I can put on while playing, will this have any sonic benefit?
tafka_steve
115 posts
 
>>will adding mass to the table while playing (I have 2 marble triangle nick-nack peices) that I can put on while playing, will this have any sonic benefit?<<

Why ask if you are the only one with your particular setup conditions? None of us can duplicate this experiment? So, just do the experiment, then YOU tell US what you hear. It'll take less time than it took me to post this.

Note: I realize this sounds harsh, but eventually you have to trust your own judgment. I'm just trying to kick your ass into active experimentation.
dougdeacon
3,338 posts
 
If you mean putting the weights on the plinth, it depends on the design of the table. If yours is a suspended table then I wouldn't recommend it. The suspension was presumably designed for the amount of mass it's supporting now. Overloading the suspension on a TT is sort of like overloading the suspension on a car.

If it's an unsuspended table, it might help or it might not. (I'm a wealth of info here!) In that case I say try it and decide for yourself. And let us know what you hear.

Good job fixing your initial problem. From your description I was pretty sure inadequate VTF was the culprit. Glad you worked it out.
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