Hello Thomas,
I thought about ignoring this last post of yours, but since you have indirectly accused at least several VERY honorable members of this for the most part well meaning and kind group of unduly promoting Teres decks and my tonearms, let me repeat one last time: Neither Chris Brady nor I have ever or will ever ask anyone, be it a customer or someone who just participated in a listening session to say or write anything other than his OWN opinion. Why would anyone act as an advertisement spokesperson for me? Certainly not because I'd give them a deal on one of my overpriced products. Larry Howkins(Cello) is one of the most kind, decent and generous persons I have ever met in my life. Trying to put him into some shady corner is what upsets me most. And maybe your own tendency to take up every opportunity to say something negative about my tonarms has to do with the fact that I didn't cut you a deal when you were once showing an interest in purchasing one of my arms.
John Elison didn't take the challenge, maybe you will:
Build(or have a mechanic of your choice build) a Reference arm within 4 weeks, if it equals the build quality and the sonics(shouldn't be difficult since it is only soso...) and doesn't omit any technical features, I'll buy it for the full german retail. The revenue should be enough to buy a decent arm(and there are, sarcasm aside, quite a few of them around).
I do value criticism from anybody who has taken the time and effort to examine a product(mine in particular) closer, but your opinions haven't been worth the keyboard they were typed on (and they often give those away...).
To the other members of the forum: Please forgive the sarcastic tone of this post, it goes against my belief that this forum is about an exchange of facts, findings and
more than anything, sharing the fun and excitement this hobby/passion is capable of providing, all in a civilized manner. I shall return to this maxim.
Have a great weekend,
Frank Schröder(manufacturer) |
Dear Frank,
why are you upset ? Show me one mail, where I wrote something negative about your arm ? You will not find one.
Whom I have accused ? Who is a VERY honorable member ? From what ?
On the other side, YOU are on the agressive side, when there is a report or opinion, when there is a discussion about one of your product, which is not in "awe". YOU did write things about me, which are wrong, you don't know me, you have absolutely no idea about my System and finally you wrote, that I am an unexperienced listener. I didn't wrote an answer about that, it was not worth the time for me. Having Interest in your Arm ? Yes, of course why not, I have interest in many Arms, so I asked. I asked for a bit better price, because I have no dealer, so why should I pay full dealer profit, when I don't use one. That was all.
I thought, Bob Graham wrote you in a earlier message his opinion about manufacturer comments in public forums. It's here at Audiogon, everyone can find it when interested.
I write my opinion about a few things like everyone else.
I push no one in a shady corner, you don't have to be upset for others. I wrote all my mails in a civilized manner, when there is a kind of agressive tone, then it was always from you.
What you try to do, even in AudioAsylum, is attacking people. I don't know why, sorry, and honestly, I am not interested. Same with Bob Graham, you wrote first a few lines about his product, then his answer came, after that you apologized and wrote, you will ask the mod, to delete YOUR mails.
And why are you attacking me ? Compared to what was written in VinylAsylum (" Wooden tonearm that hangs from a string" ) my few sentences are NOTHING to that.
To come to an end, Larry wrote his experience about a comparison in a post above, his experience is different than mine but someone only will know that, when every mail from me was read ( and saved ? ).
I didn't write a comment about that. It's his comment, one of many others. Mine is one of many others. Is anyone out there who collects answers about Schroeder tonearms ? I think, a "big brother" is watching me.
Have a great weekend,
Thomasheisig ( Customer ) |
Dear Frank and Thomas,I sort of feel like an innocent bystander,intervening at an accident scene,where one auto driver is about to go at it with the other driver.I DO have the best intentions here,but would like to sort of mention,from my own point of view,that there is really NO reason for anyone(including you Frank)to get so upset.
Both of you guys seem to have generally good intentions,from previous postings,and from your general demeanors,but it has gotten a bit out of control,when hobbyists have to worry about being verbally spanked(by a manufacturer)if they say anything negative about said product.I ALWAYS feel self conscious of you,Frank,when I'm discussing arms,as I know you follow things closely,BUT,this is a hobbyist forum.Though I DO think you are a NICE GUY,I also feel you can be antagonistic,at times.Your initial sarcasm about my screen name,and the punctuation on the "O" of Shroder,hey I can't type,even to this day(I know you were jesting,but I didn't know it at the time),and the original bit with Graham( BOY,was he ever NICE in his reply) was really uncalled for,even though you appologized.Hey,I NOW know you are passionate about your products,and have come to appreciate this aspect of you,but I don't want to get paranoid,if I discuss your arm.You already know I'm fascinated by it,probably because it really is as good as some have stated.Of that I have no doubt!!
As for Thomas,he has(in a forum like this) the right to feel free to give opinions,but ONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND that we are ALL affecting the livelyhood of (generally) small manufacturers,who depend on good "word of mouth".This IS an important point,which I have come to understand,though Thomas is being hit a bit too hard here,IMO.And,I KNOW,at times I have a big mouth.Can't help that.Probably stems from childhood.I think I can blame my mother for that!
As for Larry,I've only been active on this forum for about 6 or 7 months,but he REALLY does seem to be about the nicest guy to post anything.I recently,was called vicious names by an incredibly immature poster who literally used my own screen name to impersonate me in phony responses.The reason for this was because I had asked a tube related question,and instead of being given a straight answer,was offered 2 tubes(which I NEVER showed any buying interest in)for 200 dollars each.None of these tubes were ever tested,or rated,but this 'Goner saw a potential quick sale,and showed his true self when I indicated he wasn't helping fellow hobbyists by offering unverified products, this way.
All in ALL,there are the "Bad Guys",like that "YUTZ",and the "Good Guys",like Frank,Thomas,and DEFINITELY CELLO.So,it's Saturday evening,now,lets all kick back,appreciate all we really have,and maybe crack open a good bottle of Reisling.I know I'm doing that tonight,during my 5 hr listening session!A Great Weekend To All of You!! |
Hello Thomas,
I will gladly explain why your post upset me.
It was triggerered by(quote):
"Ahem Larry, say "Hi" to Frank the next time, and I still think, his arm is overpriced. But maybe not for everyone"
It is the "Ahem" that, to me, implies that I am in regular contact with Larry, which, unfortunately, I'm not. There is no teaming up, no conspiracy...
As for the second part, let me qote you again: "unfortunately no one asked for that, but who cares"
You asked:
"Whom I have accused ?"
Your own answer:
"Sorry, I can't help, but sometimes I have the feeling that a few use the forum here to push "some" products. And I have this "feeling" mainly when I read comments from Teres owners."
You asked:
"Who is a VERY honorable member ?"
To name a few: Cello is, Doug Deacon is and so is Lugnut(Patrick Malone), all three of which I had the pleasure to meet in person. Others might disagree, but in my book they are true gentlemen.
You wrote:
"When I read the first line, I knew what's coming and I got it right. Teres is super, Schroeder Reference is more than super ( unfortunately no one asked for that, but who cares ) "
Jj2468 asked for opinions on Teres decks, mentioning the associated components should help him(and others)to put the advice in perspective.
Besides that, the first line of the quote does sound like you have a bias against said posters and products.
You wrote:
"I push no one in a shady corner, you don't have to be upset for others."
The first part of your quote was addresses above and I do take the freedom to be upset when I feel that someone is wrongfully misrepresented.
You wrote:
"What you try to do, even in AudioAsylum, is attacking people.
YOU are on the agressive side, when there is a report or opinion, when there is a discussion about one of your product, which is not in "awe".
As I said in my initial reply, I welcome criticism and would not react negatively to any remarks about the sonic qualities, the handling or the execution of my arms(criticism is instrumental in improving any product). Comments on pricing are an entirely different matter, because, so far, they came from people who didn't know what they were talking about. In the past I tried to explain what constitutes the price of any product manufactured/marketed by a small company in high end audio, most people understand, some don't, so be it.
And, off course, you are entitled to your opinion.
Lots of people are not "in awe" when looking at my arms, it's human nature to have differing likes and dislikes. And when it comes to listening, you always listen to a whole system(+room), never a single component. Obviously some components will fit the respective jigsaw puzzle better than others.
You wrote:
"I wrote all my mails in a civilized manner, when there is a kind of agressive tone, then it was always from you."
A generalization, not correct on both accounts.
You wrote:
"Is anyone out there who collects answers about Schroeder tonearms ?"
As far as I can tell, the answer to your question is no.
You wrote:
"I think, a "big brother" is watching me."
Yeah, me too, --and all the others.... ;-)
This reply was not written to start a "but you said,and I never said.." string. I would merely like you to understand why I reacted the way I did.
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Cheerio,
Frank |
Dear sirspeedy,
Thanks for pulling out the fire extinguisher(and aiming it at my face too), I should have mentioned you as another honorable member of this forum(and I mean it).
I'll go for some Burgundy a little later...
Best,
Frank |
