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trelja,

I agree on all of your points about plagiarism. However, in this particular case I think it may be a little bit softer case. What I have learned since first reading celander’s post is that those words are quite well-known. I had no clue, but it also seems that I may be the only one reading this thread who had never heard/read it. In light of that, it might have been just an innocent quote that celander expected everyone knew and that he used to emphasize whatever he wanted to emphasize with it. Sort of like me writing "I can’t get no satisfaction" in some post without explicitly giving credit to actual writers of the song. I would expect that everyone knows about it, especially in the forum like this, and that nobody would think I was pretending it was mine from the beginning of time.

Of course, I have no idea what celander actually thought while writing, but I would give him benefit of the doubt on this one. He does not come across as a fool who would think he could sell something this widely-known to a spectatorship like this. Around here, everyone is just waiting to jump and tear apart. True, it would have been no arguing had he started with "to paraphrase XYZ...", but hat the heck.

Again, as far as plagiarism goes, I agree with you 100%.

To be in tune with this thread...

And I’m neither left or right
I’m just staying home tonight
Getting lost in that hopeless little screen

(Not my lyrics, but as true as it gets)

Plagiarism is a creature of academia and journalism, pertaining to usurping another’s work as one’s own without attribution. In only those areas, it serves as a check on intellectual integrity and breaches therefrom. Those in academia and journalism could care less about asking permission to use another’s work. So as noble as these disciplines might be under the plagiarism doctrine, there remains an unspoken intellectual dishonesty at the core of these disciplines.

Copyright is a commercial embodiment related to plagiarism, but differs from plagiarism in a key respect. Copyright concerns usurping another’s work as one’s own without securing permission from the original author. That is, in copyright, the focus is not simply attribution, because it doesn’t matter whether the usurper actually is aware of the original work. Permission is what matters, and damages can flow therefrom when permission is not granted.

The doctrine of Fair Use provides an exception to the iron fist of the copyright laws. Most of academia and journalism uses of copyrighted work typically avoid damages from copyright infringement under this doctrine. Parody is another strain of Fair Use that spares one the ravages of copyright infringement.

Now patents are a different creature apart from plagiarism and copyrights. Patents liberally include the work of others, regardless of attribution or permission. This flows necessarily from the nature of patents—building upon the inventive works of others as embodied in the prior art. So blindly copying and pasting into a patent application information obtained from a number of sources without attribution or permission is tolerated and encouraged, provided such content is within the prior art. Nevertheless, patents can be found to be unenforceable should the patentee not fully disclose to the USPTO Examiner all printed publications, patents or other information material to the patentability of their claimed invention, to the extent of their being aware of such information. 

I am far from being knowledgeable about these plagiarism, copyright, and patent issues (although I think that my previous post was basically talking about fair use of those earlier quotes). However, I think that most of the academic works (published studies and such) do contain references somewhere at the end.

They all do. 

Nailed it:



clearthink500 posts08-09-2018 7:52pm
celander "I’m satisfied with the thread ending as it stands. Thanks, for everyone’s contributions!"

Well you are certainly very welcome however it appears here that you are laboring under a mistaken, misunderstood, or confused notion that even as the OP you have the right, power, or influence to declare, pronounce, or insist that the thread ends here. It is apparent and obvious to all who have followed in this thread your obvious, deliberate, and even insidious premeditated effort to introduce politics and your own opaque personal agenda into what otherwise would be a simple forum for the exchange of thoughts and ideas about music and audio. In fact this most recent exultation from you that this thread has now ended follows a previous notice from you made within this thread that "this thread is officially off the rails. I’m moving on" but you seem unable to move on because of you’re apparent inner need to obfuscate, confuse, and conceal and of course you can delete this thread as the OP but you can not do that because of you're own ego and sense of personal grandeur.