Direct Drive vs. Idler Drive vs. Belt drive

atmasphere's (Ralph's) point about tension on the spindle with the belt pulling to one side was addressed by one table I'm aware of.  I owned an original Well Tempered TurnTable and the spindle well had five contact bearing points.  Two were inside the well (maybe 45 degrees apart?) near the top nearest the belt position, two more were nearer the bottom of the well and opposite position of the upper two, the fifth was at the bottom of the well in the normal position.  This way the tension applied by the belt held the spinal shaft against the upper two bearings while a vertical position was maintained by the two opposite bearings lower in the well.  The spindle shaft could wobble within the well until the belt was installed to bring it vertical with pressure on all five bearings.  I don't know if any other manufacturer adopted this simple but ingenious solution to retaining a vertical spindle shaft? 

i’ve owned a number of top flight direct drive turntables; including the Rockport Sirius III, the SP-10 Mk2 and Mk3, and now the Wave Kinetics NVS for the last 9 years. taken singularly; none of those were obviously lacking in speed solidity and musical flow. but over these last 6-9 months, in direct side by side comparison to the Saskia model two idler, and the CS Port LFT1 Belt drive, neither of which have servo’s......this idea of the human ear hearing the musical cost of feedback is very real.

execution of an idler or belt to the degree to take full advantage of the lack of feedback is paramount, but when you do your ’ears’ will thank you.

At 53K before tonearm I would hope the Saskia has what your previous DD’s did not. I would love to hear one to compare with my much less expensive set-ups. I have maybe 18K in my hot-rodded 301. 4K for a nearly NOS drive unit. Close to 2K for a solid brass platter, another 1K for a solid brass spindle/main bearing, close to 2K for a PSU to decrease motor noise, 3K for a custom plinth that weighs 50 lbs or so in layered cherry with cocobolo outer veneer, another 2K for things like an AS idler wheel and stillpointes, and 4K for my Reed 3P arm.
I trust yours sounds even better (since you are a regular on what’s best) and I happily surrender as to bragging rights and perhaps curb appeal. I can not convey how much pleasure my 301 gives me in every way. I have grown to love it more than my totally hot-rodded TD124 with nearly identical improvements and arm. By a smidge.
Both combine the durability of transcription table design with modern aspects and yet again with vintage aesthetics.
To me and perhaps me only, a turntable need not look like a piece of laboratory equipment. And I don’t think the Saskia looks like lab equipment, but stuff from TechDas et al.......

At 53K before tonearm I would hope the Saskia has what your previous DD’s did not. I would love to hear one to compare with my much less expensive set-ups.

the Rockport Sirius III direct drive was way more expensive than the Saskia even back when i owned it. now a nice one would run you over $100k. but i think cost is not a good way to view things, especially turntables. we find real gems sometimes at modest investments. 

I have maybe 18K in my hot-rodded 301. 4K for a nearly NOS drive unit. Close to 2K for a solid brass platter, another 1K for a solid brass spindle/main bearing, close to 2K for a PSU to decrease motor noise, 3K for a custom plinth that weighs 50 lbs or so in layered cherry with cocobolo outer veneer, another 2K for things like an AS idler wheel and stillpointes, and 4K for my Reed 3P arm.

congrats on your Garrard.

i owned a Steve Dobbins Garrard 301 with a Loricraft UPS power supply and a Reed arm back in 2009-2011. i loved that turntable. yours sounds very special. no reason it might not be head to head with my Saskia.

thank you for the kind words about my Saskia, i do consider it a very special piece and enjoy it's way of making the music come alive every day. no doubt idlers do some certain things for the music that seems essential to me.

I built my modified Lenco based on Win Tinnon's recommendations.  Slate plinth, PTP top plate, platter painted and damped to reduce resonance, huge aftermarket bearing with under-platter clamp, from Jeremy in the UK, Phoenix Engineering Motor Controller.  It performs up there with anything else I own.  The total investment there is under $2K, partly I guess because I subcontracted the making of the slate plinth. Peter Reinders (source for the PTP) supplied a pdf file to program the waterjet; the actual cutting was done by a company in York, PA.  Slate came from the same quarry in PA used by OMA.  I was fortunate to source an NOS Lenco as the basis for that project, for only $500.

Love the sound of your 301 fsonic, would love to really hear it.
My much more modest 401 in 45lb birch and curly maple plinth with micro seiki ma505ls arm has outperformed anything else I have ever owned to my ears.
But I think I just love the idler sound, the dynamic presentation and life that no dd or belt has yet shown me.
Of course I have not ventured into the rarified air of 5 figure plus tables so I don’t know what I don’t know.
Unless I win the lottery I don’t see my 401 going anywhere soon.