directional cables?

Almarg

Simply_q, could you clarify what you mean when you say that electrons drift under ac conditions?

Sure.

Are you saying that they drift back and forth over a very short distance within the cable, as I indicated in my post yesterday? Meaning that a specific electron near the source end of the cable will never emerge from the other end of the cable (assuming there is no dc offset present)?

Yes.

My point has been that whenever there is any current flow (in this particular context), there must be a net drift of electrons. It matters not that the drift may alternate direction over time. To say there is no drift is to say there is no current.

Or are you saying that they drift, to cite an example, all the way from the "hot" connection of the source component's output jack, through the cable and the input circuit of the destination component, then through the other leg of the cable to the ground connection of the source component's output jack, and then all the way back over that same route, but in the other direction, to the "hot" connection of the source component's output jack?

No.

Or something else?

Only if you want to open up a can of quantum mechanics. :)

Almarg, give up, you are debating an immovable object that refuses to listen to logic.

He is convinced in AC that there is a net flow of electrons from source to load. You know there is not, I know there is not, every reference you can find says there is not, yet he continues to insist there is. Like I said, give it up.

Mr, Q, has anybody come to your defense? No they have not. Why? You are wrong.....

think about it,,,,,,

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Herman, I'm inspired to continue just a bit longer by this comment:

Almarg: Are you saying that they drift back and forth over a very short distance within the cable, as I indicated in my post yesterday? Meaning that a specific electron near the source end of the cable will never emerge from the other end of the cable (assuming there is no dc offset present)?

Simply_Q: Yes.

My point has been that whenever there is any current flow (in this particular context), there must be a net drift of electrons. It matters not that the drift may alternate direction over time. To say there is no drift is to say there is no current.

Simply_Q, my statement, to which you agreed, implies that there is no "net" drift, just a drift back and forth over some small distance, the location of which remains essentially unchanged for any given electron.

Can the word "net" be deleted from your statement without changing the meaning you intended? Is so, I think we are all in agreement. If not, then the impasse remains and I shall cease and desist.

Best regards,
-- Al

Herman

He is convinced in AC that there is a net flow of electrons from source to load.

I never said any such thing. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Mr, Q, has anybody come to your defense? No they have not. Why? You are wrong.....

No one coming to the defense of an argument proves the argument wrong? What sort of twisted logic is that?

UH, yes you did. That has been the crux of the disagreement. Please go back and read through the thread and you will find this exchange.

Me.......Because the electrons do not flow in a power distribution system.

You.......Yes, they do. There would be no power distributed if they did not.

Me........They do not flow along the wire like water flows in a hose.

You.......They do indeed.

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