Every day I see another turntable recommendation...


After digging into this topic, I am convinced now I need to go a bit higher on this first vinyl set up. I think all in, I am prepared at this point to go up to $5k, for the table alone, not including arm or cartridge.

But frankly, being on this forum is like drinking from an information firehose. I have learned a bunch and yet somehow, I am less convicted than before.

With that in mind, to narrow down the decision, I am want to restrict myself to things I can buy, hear and, if necessary, service locally. My local dealers stock, AMG, AVM, Basis, Clearaudio, Michell, Musichall, Pro-ject, Rega, VPI, so I am likely restricted to those brands. I am certain my view will change by the end of this thread.

saulh

You can stop chasing your tail saulh

"$4500 bucks all in"!!!, Oracle Delphi mkII, SME V5 arm, Dynavector H.O-MC cartridge (can be critiqued 2-5 yrs up the road), plug in good to go.

Use your savings for a HQ tube powered pre-amp.

Audion Silver Night Line & MM Phono Stage Pre-Amp

Or you can go with the highly reputed Atma-Sphere MP-1 or Atma-Sphere MP-3

There isn't any real need to limit a choice for a Tonearm to one Brand or to go to the expense of the SME Series V.

To get a demonstration of the V might be a little more difficult than other Brands, as Cadence the new owners of SME, enforced the changes in marketing, with the  recent changes enforced affecting how the Arms can be purchased. SME has stopped singular Tonearm items being available. The only method to acquire a New Model today is with a SME TT, leaving the singular item purchase as most likely  being a used item.

There are other models that I am aware you are considering and are worthwhile trying to experience through demonstration, prior to making any decision for the Tonearm that is to be selected.

 

"saulh"

You have garnered some wide-ranging advice and suggestions.  I would offer some input from George Merrill that you can read from some of his "papers" on his web site & links listed below.  He is an analog devote & engineer.  If you are so inclined to contact him with concerns or questions, he will address them without trying to sell you anything.  

Analog Emporium & GEM Dandy Products: GEM Dandy Products (hifigem.com)

Turntable Design 1: Turntable Design 1 (hifigem.com)

Turntable Design 2: Turntable Design 2 (hifigem.com)

Torque Recoil: Torque Recoil (hifigem.com)

Enjoy the hunt & good luck

My current analog system is modest by comparison to many on this site. What has been humbling and enlightening is that although I've doubled the spend and the sound quality has indeed improved, it's still hasn't eclipsed what I was hearing in my old room (in my last home). 

Could it be that the OP's analog reference was experienced in a better room? 

Although my 10" Tannoy Turnberrys make better bass and overall tonality than my old Salk Songtowers did in my current room. They were not as good as the same Songtowers in my old room. The bass was deeper and the tonality was better. 

I was using cheaper elliptical MM carts on my Technics 1200G back then and felt like I was getting more detail than my AT33PTGII now.

The benefits of a good room are all over the spectrum. Better imaging, clarity, resolution...yadda...yadda yadda...

 

Better equipment helps but we listen to it 'through' a room. A room that will muddy or smear or boost or even filter out frequencies. 

 

 

 

Which dealer do you trust? Sometimes you can get a great deal on a demo or trade in. I would hesitate to buy a used turntable/arm, but if a dealer stands behind it, that may be an option if you want separate arm and table manufacturers. I prefer to keep it simple, and Rega makes incredible arms for the money. I'm not a fan of their cartridges and a dealer can set it up with an excellent cartridge. Some dealers are very analogue centric and can guide you better than others. A Rega P8 lists for $3500 now, you can probably get it for about $3K, cartridge $1500-$2000, and a phono stage for about $1500-$2500. Close to $5K all in. The P10 is better, but the extra close to $3K cost/value proposition is debatable. It's almost double the price. Plan on putting the Regas on a wall shelf with some isolation base as well and they will really shine. There's reason Michells, SOTAs and others match their tables with Rega arms. Value. If you want to go over $10K all in and become more of a turntable hobbyist, then by all means, have at it. Although I would probably just go for a simple solution like an SME.