HELP - Subwoofer placement


Hello everyone.

I have recently decided to experiment with a subwoofer for my system (mainly audio, little HT) and dug out my old Definitive Technology SUB1000 from my now retired HT system. My room has a quite inconvenient L-shape with ver few options for speaker placement. I have used my kid’s drawing program to describe it as best as I could below where my two ELAC Navis ARB-51 active bookshelf speakers are the red squares (too far apart but little I can do about it, also for wife-acceptance reasons). The sub is currently in the purple square and I sit in the black L on my corner sofa. Grey squares are other potential placement options. The big brown rectangle is a massive brick fireplace. I forgot to draw a large cabinet sitting directly left of the sub in the guest dining area of my room (ie no man’s land).

Considering the improved SQ despite (i) potentially poor current placement/tuning and (ii) decidedly poor sub quality (much more of a big HT boomer), I have now just bought a used REL T7 (1st gen) which I will be getting next week.

Questions I have are:

1. If using one sub only, where would you put it?

2. If using two subs, would you use the two grey positions or right grey and purple? I read that opposing “corners” can be helpful to get rid of nodes

3. Do you see a lot of value in adding a second decent sub (thinking REL T5 to sit in the right, closed off area with the T7 to power through the more open space on the left)? IMO keeping the DefTech sub will only negatively affect the SQ of the T7.

My art

Many thanks already for your views. Jokes about my drawing abilities of course welcome! 🤣

laimac

+1 for the listening location placement and crawl around; Make sure you stay close to floor level; it does make a difference.  And be prepared to be surprised as to where the sub will sound the best; location may be counter-intuitive.

1. Would be just guessing.

2 .Understand and mapping a rooms bass modes and nulls is easily accomplished using the previously mentioned crawl method. Whether using one sub or more the crawl is a terrific first step that only needs to be once.

3. Value, yes. This will most likely be a function of trial and error unless you have equalization and room optimization control such as described in jrpnde's Soundoctor paper. David Hall's Digital Drive and DD Plus designs offered most of those parameters using  automatic / manual software and a test tone CD to plot both the mains and the subs. The point is, even mismatched subs with basic controls when given a processed signal can add sonic value to a low frequency system. Keep your subs. 

4. Put on some Prince, turn it up and dance with the wife. All the best. 

Hi guys. Quick update…

So I’ve got a REL T7 about two weeks ago and tried the crawl method. From the possible options, the one left of the sofa (purple) was clearly the better one from a bass perception POV. I have taken a bit of time to blend in the sub with my ELAC actives and am fairly happy with the result now - lots more low end without feeling it is coming from the sub, ie what you would want.
Clearly my room is far from ideal when it comes to acoustics and there are some clear peaks in freqs so I am now looking into both room correction (miniDSP) and a second sub (the DefTech is going back to the attic after hearing the REL).

I guess the fun kinda stops when you’re “happy” hehe, so I should be glad it’s (a lot) better whilst not perfect :-D 

Anyways thanks for the help so far and please keep the advice coming, e.g. regarding room correction. I am running a streaming DAC via XLR into a tube pre then XLR into actives and RCA into sub. This is making it hard to find a suitable room correction system…

Cheers!