Home theatre and Musical Experience


Current system driven by Denon avr 2800 and does anadequate job for ht but only mediocre for music. Have been planning to add a power amp for the mains driven by the pre outs from the denon. Hoping to find the sound. Current system is muddy on music until I go to higher spl's. Want the dynamics and airiness that I am missing at lower spl's. Looking for what you would hear at a nice jazz club where the musical presence is there without the volume. Auditioned B&w naut805 and found the same thing so have turned to possible amp upgrade. Am I on the right track? Anyone gone through this upgrade and had success? Any amp suggestions? Feel sure this will lead to future upgrades just want to start where I will hear and feel a difference and go from there.
Thanks
Steve
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Music and HT together is very very hard. I have a Denon AVR 5600 and Def Tech 2000 - great for HT but very lacking in music. I've upgraded to Link III DAC, MIT T2 cables, separated all my cables and moved speakers around but got only barely satisfying results. I can't afford to dump my HT system for a music first/HT second set up. Good luck I know what you're going through and you'll hear from lots of people shortly.
I had the same feelings for many years with my home theater system. I had a Sony ES Processor for home theater which was fine for movies and even DVD and Laserdisc concerts, but when playing CD's it was muddy and lifeless. I always prefered listening to music on my small system in the other room which was Sony ES 5 disc changer, Adcom 555 preamp and 454 amp. I was always disappointed that my bigger room with better equipment sounded so lame when it came to music. When I was auditioning speakers at several shops, I realized how much difference a decent preamp and CD player made to the clarity and detail of the sound so I looked around and bit and bought the Adcom GFP 750 preamp which has the theater pass-through switch so I could hook up my Sony processor to it, and pass it through to the power amp, or when listening to CD's, the signal path was CD player to preamp to power amp. It was an easy way to integrate a preamp with the home theater stuff. It made such a huge difference that it set me on the path to more upgrades. Before with the muddy sound of the Sony it was hard to tell any difference between different DAC's or cables or speakers - it was making everything sound bad. Once I got a better source for music, everything was so much more revealing that I could enjoy my big system again.

I don't know if many other preamps have a good way to pass through the R/L channels of a theater processor which bypass the volume control on the preamp like the Adcom does - maybe someone else knows of some. It is a very nice and convenient feature - you don't want to have to reconnect cables certainly, or have your R/L as an input to the preamp in which case you would have two volume controls for while using the home theater equipment.

In any case, a decent analog preamp/power amp combo makes a huge difference over a receiver or processor stuffed with ton of DSP and other digital enhancement features. If you can find a good way to share the power amp for music and home theater it works out to be a good compromise in my opinion. When integrating home theater and music you always have the acoustic compromises of having the TV in the center which can hurt the imaging of the speakers a bit, but it can still be a great sounding room for both applications.

Wish you luck on your project.
I went through this process last year. I had an antiquated 2-channel system an wanted a new 2-channel and HT system combines. I bought 3 different HT receivers (Sony DB930, Denon AVR-3300, B&K AVR-202). They were priced $500-$2800. None of them came close to the old 2-channel system I was trying to replace. I did try adding-on an old(but very good) Adcom GFA-555 amplifier, and it helped, but it still didn't meet my needs.

I ended up with a great integrated amp.(Arcam Alpha 10) that has an HT bypass. I have the Denon AVR-3300 for HT duties. All music sources connect directly into the Arcam's pre-amo section and the HT sources connect to the Pre-amp/processor portion of the Denon. The Arcam always powers the from speakers, and the Denon powers the surrounds and center, and controls the bass to the LFE port.

This system works great. It easily outperforms my old 2-channel system for music, and works seamlessly for HT. I'm ecstatic!!

Tom