How do you judge your system's neutrality?



Here’s an answer I’ve been kicking around: Your system is becoming more neutral whenever you change a system element (component, cable, room treatment, etc.) and you get the following results:

(1) Individual pieces of music sound more unique.
(2) Your music collection sounds more diverse.

This theory occurred to me one day when I changed amps and noticed that the timbres of instruments were suddenly more distinct from one another. With the old amp, all instruments seemed to have a common harmonic element (the signature of the amp?!). With the new amp, individual instrument timbres sounded more unique and the range of instrument timbres sounded more diverse. I went on to notice that whole songs (and even whole albums) sounded more unique, and that my music collection, taken as a whole, sounded more diverse.

That led me to the following idea: If, after changing a system element, (1) individual pieces of music sound more unique, and (2) your music collection sounds more diverse, then your system is contributing less of its own signature to the music. And less signature means more neutral.

Thoughts?

P.S. This is only a way of judging the relative neutrality of a system. Judging the absolute neutrality of a system is a philosophical question for another day.

P.P.S. I don’t believe a system’s signature can be reduced to zero. But it doesn’t follow from that that differences in neutrality do not exist.

P.P.P.S. I’m not suggesting that neutrality is the most important goal in building an audio system, but in my experience, the changes that have resulted in greater neutrality (using the standard above) have also been the changes that resulted in more musical enjoyment.
bryoncunningham
Bryon: My operationalization of neutralty is a method for judging the coloration/neutrality of a system that DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO KNOW WHAT THE RECORDING IS SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE. It only requires you to make judgments about changes in CONTRAST or DIFFERENTIATION.

Admittedly, my operationalization is only a way to judge the RELATIVE level of coloration/neutrality of a system, not its ABSOLUTE level of coloration/neutrality. But this is still valuable to the average audiophile, since he must make relative judgments all the time, such as, when changing components.
Grant (Tvad), Newbee, Learsfool, Kijanki, this is exactly what I was getting at when I asked "why does the fact that it is difficult, in general, to precisely know what anything is supposed to sound like have any relevance in THIS DISCUSSION?" (emphasis added).

As I see it, Bryon has simply proposed a methodology or tool (I prefer those terms to "operationalization of neutrality" because they are easier for me to understand :)), which can be a useful addition to the arsenal of other methodologies (both subjective and objective) that we use to work toward the goal of more enjoyable listening. As I see it, it's as simple as that.

Best regards,
-- Al
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Al, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who has difficulty with Bryon's 'operationalization of neutrality' used as a description of how to judge the sound of a system.

Perhaps I'm just exposing my ignorance, but I might be less resistive if Bryon, or anyone, could in a brief paragraph explain how one, in actual practice, utilizes this 'methodology', and if possible how this 'tool' or 'methodology' differs substantially from what audiophiles do every day when playing with their toys without placing a title on the process, i.e. as I described in the last paragraph of my last post.
Bryon wrote: "Admittedly, my operationalization is only a way to judge the RELATIVE level of coloration/neutrality of a system, not its ABSOLUTE level of coloration/neutrality."

Maybe it's possible to move the discussion in a slightly different direction with observations about reference points and relative vs. absolute measures. (On this tack I return to the notion of neutrality in the broad sense.)

Distinctions about coloration may be made relative to an external reference point of live music, or to an internal reference point of a previous or alternate iteration of one's system. Unfortunately fidelity to an external reference point will be debated ad nauseam, owing to endlessly varying opinions about live sound, as well as human frailty in reconstituting performance from memory.

So what internal references points are reliably available? Also, if one is to exclusively adopt internal reference points, any improvement is by definition relative to one’s current system rather than to an absolute. Bryon initially suggested two ideas to operationalize one’s aural judgment of neutrality—ideas about distinction and difference. I suggested that convergence was also a meaningful marker-- particularly the convergence of vinyl and digital sources through independent mod processes. Such convergence at least demonstrates CONSISTENCY between internal reference points. However the question arises as to whether such consistency merely reflects the bias of PREFERENCE rather than increased NEUTRALITY. Since all mods were made as single-variable changes on scientific grounds, I am inclined to view the progress as demonstrative of neutrality rather than personal preference. However others may reasonably disagree.

But more interestingly, can the scientific method be applied generally to the notion of subjective preference? Preference in this sense may be defined as movement toward one's PARTICULAR idea of live music. I believe the answer is yes to science, if the notion of personal preference is operationalized by the test that EVERY vectors of the listening experience must either be subjectively improved or remain unchanged. The basis here is to abandon the notion that colorations are a soup of isolated variables and combinations of inevitable compromises. If a system becomes more like that which one prefers in every sense (without a single shortcoming relative to prior iteration), then one may reliably conclude that neutrality is improved.

In practical terms, neutrality in this sense is the sum of positive vectors such as pitch, timbre, dynamics, frequency extension and control, spatiality, quiet background, and such others as one may consider important. The important thing is to develop an exhaustive list of significant variables and to listen carefully for each one. The test is made with respect to both the sum of variables and their differences. Even though these variables are not like terms, their differences can be measured with respect to the notion of preference, and positive must always be considered better. For the test of improved neutrality to be satisfied, no variable may go negative relative to another. A difficult test that few systems will pass—-but a test that forces the audiophile into a critical and uncompromising analysis of coloration.