How important is the efficiency of a speaker to you?


I went to an audio meeting recently and heard a couple of good sounding speakers. These speakers were not inexpensive and were well built. Problem is that they also require a very large ss amp upstream to drive them. Something that can push a lot of current, which pretty much rules out most low-mid ( maybe even high) powered tube amps. When I mentioned this to the person doing the demo, i was basically belittled, as he felt that the efficiency of a speaker is pretty much irrelevant ( well he would, as he is trying to sell these speakers). The speaker line is fairly well known to drop down to a very low impedance level in the bass regions. This requires an amp that is going to be $$$, as it has to not be bothered by the lowest impedances.

Personally, if I cannot make a speaker work with most tube amps on the market, or am forced to dig deeply into the pocketbook to own a huge ss amp upstream, this is a MAJOR negative to me with regards to the speaker in question ( whichever speaker that may be). So much so, that I will not entertain this design, regardless of SQ.

Your thoughts?

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@deep_333 

My comment relates to the high wattage, complex crossover+DSP school of engineering. I have yet to hear a system built that way that offers true timbre and time allignment of its various components. Flea watt amps are not a must but many valve enthusiasts swear by 2A3s.

@deep_333 

Here is a white paper written by Steve Deckert that explains it much better than I ever could.

https://www.decware.com/paper43.htm

Flea watt amplifiers are class A with minimal circuitry and no negative feedback as opposed to a high powered amplifier that relies on a much more complex circuitry and many more components.  As components are added there is a gain in power but it comes at a cost.  Top of line amplification can minimize those loses with higher quality components and advanced designs but they then become very very expensive and totally unnecessary with a well designed high efficiency speaker.

I'm running corner horns with two watts and can reach 85 to 87db in in a very large space without a sound deficit that's apparent to me.  I'm not able (or want) to play at 110db but I still have bass I can feel in my chest and a detailed sound stage that's simply glorious.

 

 

 

@ortodox 

 

I went from 87 db speakers to 94 db speakers. Much better sound at low volume and less power needed.

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I had a similar experience with going from 85 dB sensitivity (84-86 depending on whose numbers one is to believe) Ohm-Walsh 4 speakers to 92-94 dB Klipsch Heresy IV. 

I WAS using an updated (by me) ADCOM GFA-545-II to drive the Ohms (GREAT for RAMMSTEIN!), got into a class AB 6CA7 tube amp - Willsenton R8, totally modified/updated by me - then got the Klipsch speakers and a Tektron TK2 2A3/50I-S amp running 300b tubes.

Just before selling the Ohms, I hooked them up to the class A Tektron and they BARELY sounded like anything but hollow, without presence, a very narrow soundstage, vague, muddy.

I connected the ADCOM amp for the buyer and he was sold on them within seconds of hearing “In Your Eyes.”

I’m using 2A3 tubes now and enjoying 50-60’s Jazz more than ever.

Sensitivity, power driving the right speakers, makes a YUGE difference.

 

addendum:

Funny, I can remember a conversation I had with the father of a girl I was dating back around 1974 who said “you only need about 2 watts to listen to music” when the stereo we were playing was something like 50 WPC and after 50 years, I’ve come full-circle to pretty much the same conclusion.

YMMV. 

@danager 

What price  level and brands would you say have overcome the obstacles to achieve top level performance? 

Good to see how many people are getting on the high sensitivity train.  Why do I care?  More users means more choices by manufacturers.  The economics point big manufacturers to the expensive insensitive speakers.  

Some great posts here.

And some denying.

Jerry