When cables "sound" different it's because they are doing something to the signal. They are altering the signal to give you the perceived illusion of a wider soundstage. They don't "get out of the way of the music" as so many audiophiles claim. This is BS.
Yes cables sound different because they are manipulating the signal and providing their own sonic signature. |
Components do not have $2,000 cabling inside. Adding a $2,000 piece of wire between components is obviously altering the signal in a way which gives the perception of more air, wider soundstage, etc. Some cables do so in different ways from other cables.
We have to use some common sense here. |
Frankly, it doesn't matter if it's $2,000 or $200. I was just using a number to make a point. |
Yes geoffkait, silly me for suggesting common sense.
For over 20 years I've been buying and selling equipment. Building Systems over, and over, and over. The lunacy of the high-end supported by the claims on forums like this, is what finally made me get out. I have the main system for background music and I'm totally fine with that. In the last year I've switched to headphones (Focal Clear), and I could not be happier. Yes, the headphone forums spit out the same rhetoric but I pay them no mind. I've stopped critiquing and started enjoying and I wish I did it 20 years ago. It would've saved me a s***ton of time, money and headache. |
Is there boutique cabling inside your components?
No. |
Not sure what we're talking about here anymore but let's get back on topic...
Like I said before, there is not boutique cabling inside your components.
Also, inside your amplifier there is a cable that goes to its binding posts. In your speaker, there is a cable that goes from its binding posts to the drivers. Constructing speaker cable taken from the internal wiring of the Space Shuttle, for example, will not "get out of the way of the music" as so many of you believe.
Let's pretend for a moment that the wire inside your amplifier going to its binding posts, and your speaker cable, and then the wire inside your speaker going to the drivers, is one long straight piece of wire. You cannot cut out a middle section of this wire and replace it with some esoteric wire (speaker cable), and justify that it's not doing any harm to the signal. It's obviously changing the sonic signature of the signal. It's adding its own "flavor", if you will.
Wouldn't it make sense that if you really wanted to hear what your components sounded like, then your interconnects would be the same wire that's inside of your components?
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A question to all......
If u had to put a percentage on it, and please be honest, while you're listening to music, what percentage of your listening session do you critique the music (pointing out flaws: there's too much of this, there's not enough of that, etc), and what percentage do you spend enjoying the music?
Your answer may be your wake-up call.
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@amg56, I never, ever said in any of my many posts about this subject, that a change in cabling does not affect sound. In fact, that was the basis of every single post I’ve written about this subject. A change in cable DOES affect sound. My argument is that cables do not get out of the way of the music as many audiophiles claim. In fact, they’re doing just the opposite. Cables add their own flavor to the Sonic signature of your system. They are in fact, tone controls. When one hears more air or more soundstage or whatever, it is because the cables whether it’s between your components or between your amplifier and speaker, are doing something to the sound to manipulate it to give you the perception of more this or more that. I just can’t stand to hear people say that cables do not make a difference. Of course they make a difference. No one however, has made an argument to support the idea that if you really want to hear what your components sound like, theoretically, your interconnects will be the same wire that’s inside of your components. Why hasn’t anyone giving me an explanation for this? Please, please enlighten me.
Also, no one has answered my question regarding percentage of critiquing versus percentage of enjoying. |
@Elizabeth, why didn't you type the beginning of my sentence which read, "EVERYTHING about Audiogon is centered around the idea..."
I am not a snobbish audiophile. Quite the opposite actually. The whole purpose of Audiogon is to sell high-end audio equipment to people who feel they need high-end audio equipment to fully enjoy their music.
Otherwise, why else does this site exist? |
@uberwaltz, wow that's impressive. With all due respect, what the hell are you doing on audiogon? This site is for people who care more about evaluation then pleasure. |
@prof, I never said cables always CHANGE the sound. I'm not saying that if you have 100 different cables you will have 100 different sounds. I'm saying that a cable will always AFFECT the sound, and unless it's the same cable that's inside the components it will add its own sonic signature to those components.
Just for an example, if the wire inside of your components is X and the wire connecting those components is Y, then wouldn't be logical to assume that you are adding something different to the signal?
@nonoise, you've got to be kidding me. Seriously you have to be joking.
EVERYTHING about Audiogon is centered around the idea that entry level or mediocre equipment is not sufficient for enjoying music.
Otherwise everyone would have a Boombox and that's all they would ever need. Why the hell do we have preamplifiers selling for $10,000? If you need a $10,000 preamplifier to ENJOY music then you're an a**hole.
Come on man. You've been in the game for a long time like the rest of us. You know this. |
