interesting phenomena in the cutting room

Dear friends: Like you I'm a guest in this Atmasphere thread. Because he decided to stay " dead silence " against my posts where I ask for a wide explanation I have to ask to a today expert recording engineer trying to learn and understand not only what for me was a no-sense answer from Atmasphere but if what I posting here was totally wrong and this is what he email me:


""""  Mics and preamps, as well as microphone placement is one of the most important parts of the recording processes. You can never correct for this, if done wrong. You can always remix and remaster.....as well as recut. So, IMO, anyone who says otherwise has not consider just how important this is...... """"""

by coincidence in my non-expert list I posted that.

Not only for the answer of this recording engineer but for what I posted in my first post this thread (    " The real limitation in LP recording is the playback apparatus, not the cutters. "

That I remember in this forum I never read a post where some one saids that cutters were the problem with the LP recordings/playback. )
was only part of the Atmasphere's agenda to promote what he do because at the end he is a seller. Nothing wrong with that, this is a free world.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.

Perhaps Ralph understands that all the points you raise about the recording processes are common to both digital and analogue and have nothing to do with the 'cutting' processes of the LP....?

Very good info here guys. I have enjoyed reading about the recording process.

Hello Raul, I didn't know there were new posts to this thread. I'm still trying to sort out this new format Audiogon is using and one of the things that is frustrating is it does not use a good 'new post' system!

Regarding your comments, they were in fact addressed quite well in halcro's response just above. Most of what you commented about is a commonality with all good recordings- you want the recording to be as good as possible regardless of the format.

We've resorted to building our own equipment for the recording process as well. Its not to accommodate anything to do with the LP so much as it is to know that we are giving the signal from the mics the best chance that we can give it!

Overall otherwise I've found the LP format to be pretty accommodating
It has wider dynamic range than tape, and effectively has wider range than CD as well, despite the CD having greater dynamic range on paper. As is often seen in this sport, what is practical and what is on paper are often two very different things!

Y'all have a Happy New Year!

Dear atmasphere: I don't want to disturb you more because you are a busy man especially with the proximity of the CES in January.

I understand what Halcro posted but I'm not talking of the cutting process but the whole recording process, this is what we can read in my first post:


"""  The normal recording process has several characterisitcs that in one way or the other puts its own limitations to the LP playback. """

cutting is only part of the recording process. and what I listed ( one way or the other ) affects the quality level of what we are listening on each LP.

Every recording engineer and LP producer makes things in " similar " way but way different according what each one of them want to " hear " and several times ( the majority times. ) what they " want " is not what we audiophiles want it or like to hear during each one LP listening sessions.

IMHO it's unfortunate that normally the people involved during the recording process been no audiophiles or even music lovers and if they are not audiophiles then unknow  the audiophile community needs.

The Telarc recordings where the producers/engineer were not exactly audiophiles took extremely care in all the recording process and even that are digital recording and vintage ones are ( IMHO ) almost all its recordings really good.
 I posted some examples of very good recordings where its quality is " great " one and there are many other examples of great recordings that even that been not made by audiophiles are very very good. Comes to my mind the Delos label digital recordings that are exemplary, where any one can note the overall care that those people took down there. Wilson recordings or the ones made with K.Alexander involved or the ones by Scottfish label and many many more speaks that the whole recording process can be improved.
     
Now, all of you, imagine what we can listen if all ( or part/some of them . ) the people involved in a specific LP recording process be not only a music lover but an audiophile with the deep knowledge level of what to do to achieve our specific needs. 

I remember the first Stereophile LP recordings where they take care on each link of the recording process even at the pressing process where they decided to press the recording sessions only in one side of each LP.
They made the normal two sides recording and the single side version and I own both and yes the single side has a higher quality level. Stereophile was not the first LP manufacturer that choosed the one side premium LP recording, I have other recordings made it in the same way and explain the why's about.

Certainly I'm not a recording engineer but a plain ignorant in that process but I think I know what to do at each recording process to be nearer to what we listeners want to.

In the otehr side what I would like to see some time in the near future is that some one change/invent a new recording process where all those recording limitations can disappears or at least goes at minimum and I'm not speaking of D2D but D2D could be a very good point to start in that all new recording process.

Who take the challenge? because time goes on and on and the recording technics stay almost the same!!

Till today I never found out a recording engineer/producer that be a TEA not even you.
 You need no presentation, your success as designer/manufacturer speaks for you and you have a very high knowledge technical level that you showed through many posts in this and other forums but ( IMHO and with all respect ) for what ever reasons I can't remember any single post from you where you speak as a TEA.

Anyway, this is what I want share with all of you.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.