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I think Olatunji started all this back is the hippy 60's.

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Yours is certainly a provocative stance; and, worthy of consideration. Here's the problem for me, and many others: The African influence in Caribbean music (since we are focusing on Cuban music right now I will put the subject of jazz aside) is there to be heard; it couldn't be more obvious. Did you listen to the clip I just submitted of Liberian drumming? The similarity to rumba and salsa could not be more obvious. I agree that when it comes to race everyone has an agenda; including, in some cases, a purported lack of agenda. The purported lack of agenda becomes even more relevant when there is a natural resistance to analyze the subject matter; in this case, music. It's that pesky N&B thing again; no matter how hard we try, we can't get away from it if we are going to do anything more than listen to and enjoy music without commentary trying to be be factual.

****The best percussion I have ever heard comes from Cuba and other latin American countries.****

No one is disputing that. The point is that we are talking about INFLUENCES; the African influence. You are correct in that it's ludicrous to say "Cuban music came from Africa"; it's also ludicrous to say that "Cuban music" would sound anything like it does today had there been no African influence.

****Did Real Indians really play that music in their villages?****

Of course they did. Well documented and lots of sources to read about it. No disrespect intended, but do you, at least, read the available literature on this stuff? There is no question that Hollywood and other commercial powers often inflate and distort what we are talking about; but that doesn't change the reality of the influence factor. I find it hard to believe that you have never heard anything like this, but check this out and tell me that it is not plausible, and likely, that the silly "Indian" themes that we hear in the old Westerns were greatly INFLUENCED by native music like this (notice the use of the minor pentatonic scale; THAT is what gives the music it's melodic character and it's "Hollywood" sound)

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yec542aOIzM[URL]

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Re: rok2id's comments about African influence in Jazz. 1st, I got a good laugh from them. Than I'm like; "do I answer? Nah, don't go there". Talk about selective, revisionist logic! But, whatever floats his boat, there's no use trying to dialog with someone who....nah, I'm not gonna go there. You guys have a good day!;)

In the so-called African dispora, the relationship with African culture and the connection to Africa varies by country. Much more Afro-centric in Brazil. Less so in the caribbean. Most of that, is 'contrived'.

In the US, the African connection does not exist. Some contrived attempts were made during the 60's to 'create' a connection, mainly as a reaction to racism in the US. Also as a show of solidarity during the civil rights movement.

Growing your hair long and wearing a dashiki does not an African make.

I could write a thousand pages, but you guys are smart, you do the math as pertains to the music part. If you have any knowledge of the slave trade in the Americas, you can figure this out.

I stand by all my comments.

The 'Indian' recording? I assume that was a joke. Sounded just a wee bit too polished. Besides you only saw / heard that sort of thing within the village. I was speaking of certain portions of the soundtrack. No chanting, just a full-fledged Western orch playing.

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O-10:

Your 'rant' on Cuba. Remember the line from the Dylan song: "You don't have to be a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing". I think Raul understands this. I just hope some smart people in Cuba are preparing for the coming change.

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