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Jazz vocalists which may not be as real as we think/imagine

Sure we could include all genres of vocalists,  but lets focus on jazz performers,,for instance , take Diana Krall. 
I have a  pile of cds that i do not listen to, old rock,,, 2 are my wife's she picked up as gifts, and never listened.
So I figured maybe I can use DK's as a  test reference recording.
Her 1999 and 2001, both seem to my ears her voice is somehow ~~tweeked~~ laid out with modern aids such as EQ's and such.
My Q is , can we really consider DK's voice to be The Real Deal,,, or a  perhaps a toch of  ~ The Fake if not perhaps, bordering on, fraud. 
I really can not use her cds in my testing of new tweeks, mods, , Her voice comes across wayyyy too warm = Colored = a nono for my ears. 
I am after pure cold frigid, icy clean mountain spring water. 
Anyway, justa  random thought,, what say ye? Have you noticed this quirk among other jazz performers such as Sophie Milman, which btw , i do use in  my YT vid uploads of testing reference on tweeks/mods/upgrades. 
Her voice is at least somewhat more~~ a  natural~, Just barely,,had her engineers gonea  tad too far in tweeking, I may have to  also disreagrd her cds. 
Sure you might object and claim all recordings post 1985, have these intrusions of tweeking /EQing the voice, as a  makeover. 
I don't know, maybe in the past 20 yrs things have gotten out of hand. 
So cast your vote, is DK's voice real deal,, or a  tad fake?
Can she perform unpluged as she does on high tech studio records?
mozartfan
mozartfan OP
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I never said Diana can't sing,, sure she has a great voice,, its just I perfer not so modulated,,I'd perfer less modifications , and more natural = more for real.
Diana was young at the time and the record engineers took advantage of her unsuspecting youth. 
mozartfan OP
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It was all about how polished, ~~marketable~~ can we make over her voice = more notable, = more pop-ularity = more shows/contracts = $$$$. 
Thus Diana was ~~commercialized...Diana realizes this now. Which is why I only listen to certain 20TH C composers and a  very few 19th C composers. 
Rock/jazz not at all interested. 
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ditusa
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MOZARTFAN this has been going on for 70 years just think elvis presley manufactured by RCA so if diana kralls voice is a tad fake all pop singer are they have all had eq in there records thats the real world hollywood and the music buz is fake
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millercarbon
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Another rambling all over the map OP. Brother. Enough to make one think
You have no idea what you are talking about.

Exactly. So I'm not the only one.

Look, every vocal is manipulated to some degree or other. Singing 101: to sound warmer hold the mic closer. To sing higher more clearly hold it farther away. Use the mic that flatters your voice. Etc. Etc. This is just microphones we're talking here. First link in the chain. Any reason to think anything different as we move on down the line? No. Course not.

I really can not use her cds in my testing of new tweeks, mods
Then the problem is yours. Because whatever changes you make, it changes everything, therefore you should be able to hear it with everything. If you can't that's on you. Not the recording. Certainly not on the singer.
Onhwy61 was right:
You have no idea what you are talking about.


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three_easy_payments
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It's so much easier to just not like Diana Krall instead of crying foul at the production.  She doesn't stir my soul and it has nothing to do with any vocal manipulations.  Give me Nina Simone or Carmen McRae any day ;-)
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