Kimber 8TC beater?

Interesting.

Vivid imaging but clean/lean sound - 8TC
Solid imaging, balanced, weighted sound - 3104

You could get both then sell on the one you don't like.
At least you'll know! :)

@Almarg...Thank you so much for your advice. Yes...have tried both 4 and 8 ohm taps...no audible difference. System is in my bedroom...12 x 14 x 10...smallish and unable to maneuver speakers much. I think I could squeeze out a bit more "fullness" by repostioning my speakers a little but that leaves the smallish image size problem. Retubing was done about 5 months ago...didn't improve matters much. Last resort is to upgrade my supra ply speaker cables...it's about 10 years old and I got them free...so I don't really mind changing them. I hope to get a fuller and "bigger" sound...esp image size. Hope the speaker cable I eventually choose will give me that. If sonic signature of my present system remains more or less the same...I guess it will be time for me to look for new speakers.

@Loftarasa...hmmm...Per your description/comparison...I think the mogami is more appropriate for my system than the 8tc. Thank you for all your help!

@loftarasa...from your experience...what sonic differences can one expect from cryo'd and non-cyro'd speaker cables? Noticeable differences?

Thanks again...:)

"I think I could squeeze out a bit more "fullness" by repostioning my speakers a little but that leaves the smallish image size problem."

If you are looking to increase image size, you can control that somewhat with cable choice. Its better to do that type of thing with components, but for small amounts, you may be able to do it with cables. Generally speaking, the cable design that seems to yield the biggest, roust type of image, is a well designed stranded cable. The 8tc is a good choice for that. Cardas is a little better even. I have some Golden Reference that gives a nice, big image. It may seem like an odd choice, but a pair of MIT avt1 or 2 will image like that, as well. But whatever you go with, don't expect miracles. There's only so much a cable can do. That said, I do think your Supra Ply's may be working against you a bit. It wouldn't be a bad idea to try something different.

IME, cryo generally makes treble smoother and bass deeper :)

The best (and most expensive) speaker cable I ever owned was a British one called Townshend Isolda. It is luscious sounding, with massive soundstaging and very deeeeeep bass. I learned some time later that it was originally a copy of the copper ribbon Goertz MI3, but with a built in Zoebel network (I think Al talks about it in an earlier post) and that it was cryo'd.

Going on memory, when I heard Goertz MI3 natively, it was fair-good, but not WOW! like the Townshend. I can only attribute this to the cryo, I guess.

Put another way, I also had some cryo 3104 from TakeFive and it's the basis for my recommendation. I've not heard non-cryo 3104.

Reading TakeFive's page on their cryo, I see some of the characteristics called out that I mentioned: http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/shopcontent.asp?type=cryo

However, they also indicate it doesn't seem to always work on every cable out there.