Learning about crossovers helped convert me from atheist to a believer in God


Let’s see if this one survives.    

I have been an atheist for 50 years.  Recently I became a believer.  One factor that helped tip the scales is the “fine tuned universe” argument - the idea that the physics constants, e.g. the mass of an electron, are so finely “selected” that if they weren’t very close to what they are, life wouldn’t exist.  This is an argument for a creator.  The best counter argument seems to be that there are an infinite number of universes and we got lucky.  

When I got into audio, and started learning about crossovers, I was ASTOUNDED at how well the pieces fit together.  Octaves are exact doubles of frequency.  3dB describes so many seemingly unrelated phenomena.  But the one that really got me was the magic of capacitors and inductors.  They share no parts, other than wires sticking out at each end (usually), one acts due to voltage, one acts due to electromagnetism, one resists AC, one resists DC.  And yet, somehow, they are mirror images of each other, using almost exactly the same equations, behaving perfectly orthogonal to each other, even to the extent of how powerfully they perform their function (3dB again).  How is this possible?  Could this have happened due to random chance?  I smell a creator.  

alanhuth

Great post!

The peroblem in your post is that you suppose a separation , a dualism , between matter and consciousness,  BUT this Cartesian dualism died with quantum mechanics...

His death was analysed and predicted by Alfred North Whitehead, he called it the Cartesian bifurcation , and call the unability to be conscious of this bifurcation of tought  and his consequences a fallacy;  "one commits the fallacy of misplaced concreteness when one mistakes an abstract belief, opinion, or concept about the way things are for a physical or "concrete" reality"...

When men think that an outer material substance is more real than their own thought process and consciousness...This outer substance is a reified abstraction called "matter"... Heisenberg put it at rest for eternity... After him man must distinguishe as the physicist Wolfgang Smith described : sub physical abstraction of physics with phenomenal corporeal qualitative reality and vertical transcendant spiritual reality...

 

The OP addressed the question at the metaphysical level, and the discussion should have stayed there. OP merely rehashes the tired argument from design. Well, the beauty of symmetry and predictability of physical laws don’t imply a designer, and the "randomness" and "alternative universes" oppositions are straw men long since burned down. Either matter and energy will exist or they won’t. As it happens, they do, so to speak of nothingness is to speak idly. So if existence is the case, that which exists will express the laws necessary to its existence and behavior, including the interconvertibility of matter and energy. We humans, extreme latecomers to this universe existing for billions of earth years before our arrival, whose existence was made possible only by temporary conditions on one obscure planet (out of perhaps a decillion others about which we know little or nothing), NATURALLY find beauty in the symmetries of mathematics, electricity, gravity, magnetism, etc., because we are creatures of those forces. Just as children love their parents, we all love the natural world IN WHICH, AND ALONG WITH WHICH, WE COEVOLVED. How could we not find it beautiful? If there were a designer, then how come we humans capable of appreciating this "design" were a mere afterthought in the nature of an asterisk on a footnote arriving after eternities of astrophysical wonders beyond comprehension? Yet mathematical truths, like gravity, were there all along, just with nobody around (that we know of) to declare them beautiful or symmetrical or harmonious or mysterious.

 

All i can add is Ockham’s razor. Belief is a category of knowledge that does not admit to discussion in a meaningful way as we understand it. The theologians of yesterday tried their proofs and indirectly contributed to the secularization of the world.it is indeed an interesting phenomenon (sentience),all of this. It could well have been nothing. For fun think of a world without the universal consciousness of language, or specifically as it applies to you, and your opposable thumbs and build from there over a long time frame. I studied for a European doctorate in linguistic philosophy.

We have a son who made a lot of bad choices in his adolescent years. At home we had family Bible studies and I was an elder in our local church for 5 years. I taught  professionally for AT&T and taught the Bible at our local congregation. Our son dropped out of college and joined the Marines. There he also made some poor choices and was almost given a dishonorable discharge. 

But things changed. He found a wonderful lady also in the Marines who is a Christian and they married when they finished their commitment to the service. Lots of things continued to change including the kind of music he listened to. Still enjoyed the same genres but trading dark for light. Fast forward, Graduated from college with a 4.0. Finishing his master's with a 4.0. Has 3 beautiful children who also love music. Our son now plans to go into the ministry..

Music has a powerful influence on lives. I remember lyrics to old songs much easier than I do names of past friends. Kids have a profound ability to remember whole songs before they can hardly put a sentence together. 

Yes, there is a Creator, and he is waiting to transform the lives of all who believe. Music is a gift. Music played through a fine audio system is just that much better. 

 

 

You know that all these "razors" beginning with Ockham comes from a nominalism realm which dominate the anglo-saxon world and from it influence the rest of the world through the industrialization era ? ( the last one being the illusory and rethorical Hitchens razor )

This world of nominalism so hated by Charles Sanders Peirce and William Blake is coming to an end after industrialization right now...

A new "realism" is born...

If you studied linguistic philosophy ( my master is Gustave Guillaume ) you guess already that the greek logos was detotalized, and lost his unity, dissolving into realism and nominalism and conceptualism , three parts of a lost unity ( as language perceived unity separated in two illusory opposing modes : prosaic and poetic ) ...This lost was also a gain...Christianity created his own demise as a religion or superstition and gave to us a laical free world for all over any religions... The true logos of Plato manifested as a powerdful human teaching by Christ... We enter now in the conscious spirituality era over any religious faiths...

We assist now worlwide at the end of anglo saxon nominalism and materialist domination...The return of the logos as predicted by Goethe, the german Aristotle...

What do you think?

By the way studying linguistic was an ectasy...It is on par with music and mathematic and biology as mysteries initiation....

You are lucky...

All i can add is Ockham’s razor. Belief is a category of knowledge that does not admit to discussion in a meaningful way as we understand it. The theologians of yesterday tried their proofs and indirectly contributed to the secularization of the world.it is indeed an interesting phenomenon (sentience),all of this. It could well have been nothing. For fun think of a world without the universal consciousness of language, or specifically as it applies to you, and your opposable thumbs and build from there over a long time frame. I studied for a European doctorate in linguistic philosophy.

 

We created the units of measurements (notes / volts / whatever) through observations - we define and name them like ticks placed on the ground every 10’ when walking a mile at a steady pace. Next, some time goes by and we forget the times we we did not have these ticks on the ground defined. Now we devise a wheel to count the ticks. Then we sit back in an amazement and wonder about the serendipity of it all - how could this measuring device perfectly line up with these units of measurement. Well we defined both puzzle pieces - so of course they fit together. 

There may be reasons to have faith, but I do not believe this is a very strong one. If there was a higher power and they had a hand in electronics, WE 300B’s would grow on trees like oranges and I wouldn’t have to consider skipping a mortgage payment to get a pair.