Looking for the Honda S2000 of turntables


This turned out much longer than I anticipated, so I understand if you folks skip right over this post. For the rest of you, here we go.

I've been reading a lot about turntables for quite some time now. I have learned about matching tonearms and cartridges, resonant frequencies, compliance, azimuth, null points. And still I have difficulty choosing a model. Part of this is simply the number of choices available and the amount of disagreement between posters to forums such as this. But I think the biggest part of this is that one man's trash is another's treasure. People want different things from their turntables.

Look, there are folks out there, and you may be one of them, who are willing to devote time to tweaking and comparing and upgrading to squeeze every last bit of performance out of your systems. This is not a knock; it is clear you are passionate about your hobby and I am happy to see people get so much joy from their music. I wish I had the money, time and ears to conduct such experiments myself, but that's not me and it's not what I am looking for.

Here's what I am looking for in order of importance:

1. Tracking ability. I've read reviews to the tune of "this cartridge is amazing! Such detail, so dynamic! It doesn't track very well, but the slam!" Huh? If it doesn't track well, I don't give a fish how great it sounds. I've heard inner groove distortion and I want to minimize it as much as possible. Now, from what I've read, I should get a high-compliance cartridge because they track best, which means I should be looking for a low-mass tonearm. Except that manufacturers don't list the tonearm mass on their websites (I haven't found any, unless only the ones out of my price range do so) and the online tonearm database only lists mass for a few models, and of those I can afford, none of them are low-mass. Are there no affordable low-mass arms?

2. No fuss. I've read the arguments about VTA, and frankly I don't know what to believe. Some of you guys change it for every record, others never touch it. I want to think about my turntable as much as I think about my refrigerator; I want to open the door and the drinks to be cold. I want to play a record and hear music. If it's really a simple adjustment and makes an obvious difference, I'd consider it, but it's hard to know which of these suggestions are based in reality and which are just black magic.

3. Make my music sound good. I know, duh, right? What I mean is, I want MY music to sound good. I listen to R&B, Soul, and Rock through the 1970s. Up-tempo punchy music. I suspect a lot of these super expensive rigs are necessary to reveal the subtleties of symphonic works. Again, good on ya, I'm happy for classical fans, but I will never ever put a classic record on my platter, so those requirements go out the window. Think Little Richard, Sam Cooke, Beatles, James Brown, Led Zeppelin, Louis Jordan, Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Ramones, Talking Heads, that sort of thing.

3.5 On the subject of revealing detail in recordings, not all my records are in pristine condition and I'm afraid too revealing a system may bring out surface noise to a level I'm not happy with. I've read reviews that label certain cartridges as "forgiving" Is this what they're referring to? Is this something I should consider when choosing hardware?

4. Price. I have $2000 to spend on a turntable, cartridge and phonostage. When I say I have $2000 to spend, it means I have $2000 to spend, not "Well, you can get this now, and then upgrade this and this." No, I have two grand and that's that. That is way more than I spent on my last table (MMF 2.1), so whatever I get will be a big improvement. And I don't WANT to upgrade. I want it to work great now and enjoy it with no eye to the future.

Some of you may be thinking, "Buddy, you should just stick to CDs; this hobby isn't for you." First off, while no CD-hater, I have heard the difference between vinyl and CD and it is appreciable. Vinyl playback can sound alive in a way I have never heard from its digital counterpart. Also, I already have a few hundred records just waiting to be played again.

The best analogy I could think of regarding my quest for a new turntable is cars. There are sportscars out there like Ferraris, Maseratis, etc. that are magnificent machines capable of unparalleled performance and fun. They are also, incredibly expensive and fussy. These babies need to be coddled and primped and maintained not just to run well, but to just plain run! Then, there's the S2000 which is an amazing car in its own right, nimble, attractive and best of all, it's a Honda, which means the thing just works. No constant tweaking and fussing over. Turn the key and off you go. Sure, it's no Lotus, but it's no Civic either.

There we are. Thank you if you've made it this far. I really do respect the collective knowledge of the members of this board and will appreciate any advice that may come my way.
shrevie
Wow! That's a lot of replies in a short time on a holiday weekend. Thank you all. Here are my thoughts.

Perhaps the car analogy wasn't a good one for the non-car folks out there for whom the word Honda holds a certain meaning, so let me elaborate: The Honda S2000 was a $40,000 convertible. It should in no way be compared to an Accord or Civic. It was an amazing machine, but, of course, no comparison to certain Italian imports.

I am surprised by all the Technics recommendations. I know they are workhorses just by the number of old units that are still running, but I have read nothing but bad things about direct drive tables: rumble, resonance from the motor under the platter. Are these issues overstated?

I have listened to a Rega P3 -- in fact it may have been the setup recommended by Wgallupe -- and honestly, I wasn't that impressed. Don't get me wrong, it sounded good, but compared to my previous entry-level MMF, it didn't blow it out of the water as I would expect at over triple the price. I also thought it sounded a bit grainy, perhaps this is a property of the DynaVector cart (?). Is it wrong to expect to a $1700 table/cart to blow away a $400 one?

Though nothing is set in stone, I honestly wasn't looking to go the used route. There are so many models available now (who would have thought that 15 years ago?) and having a dealer set up the system for me is a big draw. Before I posted this, these were the models I had in mind:

Rega P3-24
MMF 7.1
Pro-ject Xperience
Clearaudio Concept/Emotion

Can anyone attest to the user-friendliness of any of these models? Will their sonic qualities be immediately apparent upon first listening?

Thanks!
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Tvad is right. My SP-15 is dead silent, no rumble, no motor noise, nothing, and the SL1200 was the same. I've heard the MMF 7.1 and the Rega P3, and they're pretty much lateral moves from the MMF 2.1. They're all just variations on the same theme. If you want to notice the difference right away, get the Technics.

Elizabeth has clearly not driven an S2000. :-)

David
Elizabeth, Check out KABUSA. They specialize in turntables and accessories. They have a great reputation.
"Elizabeth has clearly not driven an S2000."

Nor has she had an SL-1200, I suspect. "Tweaker's delight"??? Nonsense. And getting it modded by Kevin at KAB is NOT getting it modded by Mr. XYZ but by one of the most widely respected, most honest purveyors of audio gear in existence. Modded or not, the SL-1200 (and its variants) would be an excellent choice and will last a lifetime, or just about!

-Bob