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Maintaining a "Balanced" System Design?

After recently upgrading my phono stage, amp and preamp to all ARC, I have begun to explore speakers and have plans to listen to some Joseph Audio Perspectives in the coming week. 

However, in the process of talking with the dealer, it was suggested that I should upgrade my interconnects and speaker cabling. He has suggested all Stage III gear, which is almost as expensive as the JA speakers. 

My question is not to necessarily debate speakers or cables, but to instead hear some thoughts about not over-weighting one's system with a component that exceeds the rest of the gear. For instance, I realized that my current turntable/tonearm/cartridge combination deserved more than the $3k phono stage I had been using. So I moved up to an ARC and really noticed the difference. Of course that brought me to looking at amplification and I am sure everyone knows the story from here...

But, how do folks allocate or balance their systems?  I am pretty sure adding $15k of cables is more than makes sense, but maybe not?

Thanks to all who would like to share their philosophy and experiences. 

128x128thr1961
kota1
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i would start with measuring the acoustics in your room, and get that right first. Then I don’t think you can use cash as a yardstick for improvement, it is subjective. Start with speakers and amp that match, a good pre or integrated, and then your sources. As for cables power first, interconnects second, speaker wire third. I would allocate more budget to the top of that list and then work your way to the end as time and budget allow. These days expensive is not always good and good is not always expensive,

williewonka
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@thr1961 - having been involved in DIY cable construction over the past 10 year here are some basic things I have found makes a signficant difference

  1. Cable Geometry i.e. how the wires are positioned within the cable
    • e.g. Braiding is an exapmple of a cable Geometry
    • the more advanced the Geometry, the lower the noise floor of the cable
  2. ​​​​​​​Metalurgy i.e. what the wire is made of​​​​​​​
    • e.g. OFC Copper, UP-OCC copper, Silver, and UP-OCC silver
    • The better the metal, the faster the dynamic performance
  3. Type of Insulation
    • each insulation has a specific Dielectric Constant e.g.
      • A Vacuum - Dk = 1.0
      • Air is 1.1 = Dk = 1.1
      • Cotton or Silk - Dk = 1.3
      • Foamed Teflon - DK = 1.45
      • Teflon - Dk = 1.2
    • a HIGHER the value of Dk - results in more distortions being "injected" into the signal carried by that piece of wire
    • Lower Dk values result in improved clarity and significantly improved micro details

So armed with that inforamtion a person can assess how well a cable will perform provided the brand of cable thay are looking at makes the information known in theri advertizing literature.

Some Companies that use the above techniques include

  • Zavfino - they make excellent cables that start at a reasonable price
  • In-Akustik - very good cables with a very interesting geometry, but a little more expensive
  • HIJIRI - rated by Audiogon members as being one of the very best available today and again, even more expensive, but not outrageous.

I don’t subsribe to the "percentage rule" where the premise is that cables should cost a certain percentage of a system,

  • because it contains absolutely NO SCIENCE !

But I do believe that cables are significantly more important than most people tend to beileve because I have applied it to components of every "level", from a $300 Mini System, to systems costing over $70k, and each time the performance improves significantly

Hope That Helps - Steve

 

immatthewj
2,035 posts
 

Of course that brought me to looking at amplification and I am sure everyone knows the story from here...

Yup . . . I definitely know the story.

 

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