MC-MM-MI CARTRIDGES . DO YOU KNOW WHICH HAS BETTER QUALITY PERFORMANCE? REALLY?


Dear friends:The main subject of this thread is start a dialogue to find out the way we almost all think or be sure about the thread question :  " true " answer.

 

Many years ago I started the long Agon MM thread where several audiophiles/Agoners and from other audio net forums participated to confirm or to discover the MM/MI/IM/MF/HOMC world and many of us, me including, was and still are" surprised for what we found out in that " new " cartridge world that as today is dominated by the LOMC cartridges.

 

Through that long thread I posted several times the superiority of the MM/types of cartridges over the LOMC ones even that I owned top LOMC cartridge samples to compare with and I remember very clearly that I posted that the MM and the like cartridges had lower distortion levels and better frequency range quality performance than the LOMC cartridges.

 

In those times j.carr ( Lyra designer ) was very active in Agon and in that thread  I remember that he was truly emphatic  posting that my MM conclusion was not  true due that things on distortion cartridge levels in reality is the other way around: LOMC has lower distortion levels.

 

Well, he is not only a LOMC cartridge designer but an expert audiophile/MUSIC lover with a long long and diverse first hand experiences listening cartridges in top TT, top tonearms and top phono stages and listening not only LOMC cartridges but almost any kind of cartridges in his and other top room/systems.

 

I never touched again that subject in that thread and years or months latter the MM thread I started again to listening LOMC cartridges where my room/system overall was up-graded/dated to way superior quality performance levels than in the past and I posted somewhere that j.carr was just rigth: LOMC design were and are superior to the other MM type cartridges been vintage or today models.

 

I'm a MUSIC lover and I'm not " married " with any kind of audio items or audio technologies I'm married just with MUSIC and what can gives me the maximum enjoyment of that ( every kind )  MUSIC, even I'm not married with any of my opinions/ideas/specific way of thinking. Yes, I try hard to stay " always " UNBIASED other than MUSIC.

 

So, till today I followed listening to almost every kind of cartridges ( including field coil design. ) with almost every kind of tonearms and TTs and in the last 2 years my room/system quality performance levels were and is improved by several " stages " that permits me better MUSIC audio items judgements and different enjoyment levels in my system and other audio systems. Yes, I still usemy test audio items full comparison proccess using almost the same LP tracks every time and as always my true sound reference is Live MUSIC not other sound system reproduction.

 

I know that the main thread subject is way complicated and complex to achieve an unanimous conclusions due that exist a lot of inherent differences/advantages/unadvantages in cartridges even coming from the same manufacturer.

 

We all know that when we talk of a cartridge we are in reality talking of its cantilever buil material, stylus shape, tonearm used/TT, compliance, phono stage and the like and my " desire " is that we could concentrate in the cartridges  as an " isolated " audio item and that  any of our opinions when be posible  stay in the premise: " everything the same ".

 

My take here is to learn from all of you and that all of us try to learn in between each to other and not who is the winner but at the " end " every one of us will be a winner.

 

So, your posts are all truly appreciated and is a thread where any one can participates even if today is not any more his analog alternative or is a newcomer or heavily experienced gentleman. Be my guest and thank's in advance.

 

Regards and ENJOY THE MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

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Dear @tomic601 : It’s weird that you mentioned the Audioquest HO AQ 404 because as you can read in my Agon virtual system that’s one of the HOMC cartridges that I own and for a good reason. Good.

Btw, Audioquest had the same model but LOMC design too.

 

R.

@mke246 It seems none of the cartridge manufacturers think 78s are worth the effort. I use an Ortofon 2M series for 78s. It has a huge bonded spherical stylus. To describe the 78s I have a scratchy would be an understatement. I would love to know what a new unused 78 sounded like. I do have digital examples of Caruso singing that were taken from 78s and cleaned up with DSP. He sounds like he is in a phone booth holding his nose singing into a plastic bag, but you do get the idea.

Some recent examples from my channel. Both made with the much-maligned Strain Gauge. With 78s, it’s really mostly about the engineer. The climax in the last minute of that Armstrong record sounded brutally harsh with the Shure and perfect with the SG. All the past engineers have rolled it off hard to avoid distortion. Most engineers favor truncated elliptical stylii, and that's what I use, too. Sadly there aren’t many good 78 engineers, so a few of us audiophile collectors have taken it upon oursleves to do it. The work never ends!

 

@tomic601  : Audioquest cartridges weremade by Scan-Tech same builder ( OEM ) of all Lyra cartridges. 

So it's not at random that AQ came with very high quality performance levels.

R.

In my experience I would rank LOMC 1st, then HOMC, followed by MI, and then MM. I've had Ortofons (MM and MC), Grados, B&O, Hana, Grace, Shure, Pickering, ADC, Sonus, and even AKG. My intro to LOMC was an Ortofon MC-20 whose peaky high end was a great match for my soft Double Advents. I loved all 3 B&Os, I always admired the overall sound and presentation of Grados (when compatible and didn't hum). The tracking abilities of the Shure were offset by its ho-hum dynamics. ADC and Sonus were very high compliance and sounded very smooth, but often failed when the cantilever suspension collapsed. The Pickering XSV-3000 was a sleeper, detailed and romantic, would track anything. The AKGs never had much market share, but I would liken them to the Ortofon 2M. Grace F9 never did much for me, neither did the lower end A-T. The higher end A-T (AKA Signet) were excellent, but still lacked the explosive dynamics and transparency of MC. Currently,  I am very happy with a Hana MH running into my modified Holman Apt 1. It is quieter than the LOMC, with great dynamics and transparency, and in my VPI JMW 10.5 3D Printed arm, tracks as well as I have any need for, and I save the not insubstantial cost and hassle of another preamp and cable. So while I have no doubt a higher end LOMC with suitable preamp and cabling may yield an incremental improvement, the 5X to 10X cost differential isn't justifiable for me.

@rauliruegas 

I had previously owned a Clearaudio Concept turntable with a Clearaudio Concept mm cart.  I was then offered the opportunity to upgrade to the brand's moving coil and as my Musical Surroundings Phono stage had appropriate settings paid for the upgrade.  I couldn’t do A/B comparisons but I regretted the change; I had gained a little low level detail at the expense of a dryness.  Eventually became so unhappy that I sold it off .  
  Eventually I acquired a Technics Direct Drive-I had listed after these in my youth-and this time spent a fair amount of time auditioning perhaps six cartridges, including a few moving coils.  The results were all over the place- some would emphasize different aspects of music that others didn’t quite prioritize-so I went for a relatively inexpensive mm that pleased me since vinyl is a secondary play back media for me.

  I only offer my observations as my personal observations, not a dogma, and every one is entitled to their opinions .  In general they all reproduced music at a high level, and then it becomes a question of what each listener prioritizes