Micro Seiki, or TW AC-1

Non of my AC tables that I owned including the Black Knight were capable to be set-up spot on for speed accuracy using the TimeLine. The controller just didn't allow this nor did it properly control.

Why would you use other instruments that are not showing the proper speed, has me wondering that you really don't want to know when there is a instrument that will show you the flaws.

I chuckle when I read some of the postings above, some preaching like their word is it, they come across as if "don't you dar say this or that" or trying to suggest possibly the system as a whole is not up to the task.

Possibly it's your system is the one that's not up to the task or your even worse your ears but them again all one has to do is place the TimeLine on any table and watch at both speeeds and then place a record on and play. If any of you AC owners are suggesting that your tables are spot on are just folling your self, they aren't. Sorry :(

It's great that there is so much passion but come on guys relax it's only audio and we are suppose to share to learn.

I personally like to learn and not close minded.

The responces in realtion to MS platter ringing, that's so old. Place the proper platter on it like the "stainless steel as the 8000 has" no ringing but even better do a floating platter as syntax and I have well it will take you into a whole other world. I don't like the 8000 with the suction platter.

Enjoy! I know I am.

Maril
I found my Raven AC boring , dark sounding like VPI ,music was totally uninvolved overall it was more then disappointing with the time and money spent on it.

Reading through the raves I just don't get these guys at all, especially the drooling over the Graham Phantom arm combination. Back then I had no idea how good my Graham arm Dynavector XV1s was until I swapped that arm onto another table.
Since then of course other record players, cartridges and tonearms have graced my system. Micro Seiki 1500 and 5000,Kenwood LO7D and a all for the fun of it modded panzer plinth VPI TNT.

I'll remind you of some recent history involving several members here on Audiogon lead by a well respected high profile member with a black diamond Walker VS a electronically refreshed Technics sp10 mk11 coupled to a purpose built plinth.
I followed Porters progress and decided to do work on my own fun panzerholz project sp10 mkii. I can tell you results are much differant from other sp10s coupled to factory plinths even nude including DIY off the shelf material projects.

I don't know what some of you TW owners are suggesting that somehow there had to be some sort of mismatch with system synergy?? or some other component mismatch?? I think the Graham arm revealed the Raven for what it is.
, the raven failed miserably at play back including a feedback test where I placed the stylus on a stationary record and then turn the gain up.
Incidentally I am not the only dissapointed tw owner.

Maril555 is also asking about the sonic differences between his own SP10Mk2 and the Raven and MS. Could those of you who have experience with the DD and either or both of the BD tables discuss some of the differences? I'm sure they go beyond just speed accuracy.

I don't have a lot of experience with different tables, but I have found that how a table deals with energy is very important. Both the energy generated by the cartridge traveling through the arm and into the armbase and plinth and also the internal energy generated by the motor and bearing and vibrational energy generated by the listening environment. I would think that shape, mass and materials are what matter here as well as drainage paths.

.... so much passion...

Well, be careful, shooting the messenger is very common in the dark group

wrong timing?

I was the one that raised the question of system synergy, given some of the diverse descriptions of sound, from too much leading edge, to dark and dead. I don't own an AC table; I'm using the Kuzma XL and Airline and am not promoting that either (although I've been quite happy with it, other than the pump for the arm).
Bill Hart