Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?
After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication. Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review. One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products.
Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications. Those are not test measurements.
I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any. Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements. Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred. Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture. Do they have something to hide? I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.
ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions. Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?
Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."
Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.
I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.
Absurd question. The amp the measures better will sound better. By definition. You are doing it wrong. Here is how to do it the right way: Take measurements on both amps (or read ASR measurements). Only listen to the amp that measures better. Return the other amp. Go with science |
@amir_asr , I followed your instructions about having a friend switch cables to the letter, I have no idea what you are talking about when you say single trial, you said guess which cable is better 8 out of 10 times, I did that, duh. BTW, it is not "we" talking about blind tests. When it came to the topic of cables I posted specs of the cables listed in my profile which is exactly the topic of this thread, a manufacturer listing measurements. I never said I "blind tested" them. As for proper instrumentation you are joking right? You still haven’t posted anything about your system. Still waiting....🙄 Audiogon Forum 1- ASR 00000000 |
So, all this venom being spit at Amir is because of what??? Oh, I remember how it all started, @fleschler was banned from ASR and his feelings got hurt. Insulted his subjective opinion wasn't taken seriously on a measurement-oriented objectivist site he started a thread here. Is this the 3rd or 4th now? So many nasty comments. Is it any wonder why the audiophile community at large is bleeding members? |
@melvinjames +1 Not unlike missing a shot at one end and then running down court and committing a foul at the other end out of frustration. |
If a manufacturer thinks their customers care about measurements, they are more likely to publish meaningful ones. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want. Pretty sure these things are not regulated? Why? Because most listeners could care less about measurements and those that do will conduct their own business appropriately. Personally, I am a technical guy by profession…an engineer. I am a fan of good quality useful measurements. I create and use them all them all the time to help make informed decisions. It’s not something a lot of people are very good at. Most consumers only care about the most fundamental measurements to determine if a product will work to meet the intended use. The things that determine if a product complies with some common standard, for example. Most have no clue even about that and need someone to help. My opinion regarding measurements and good sound: Good measurements applied well = good sound faster. It takes some smarts and experience to be able to navigate the world of technical measurements properly. Measurements are a means to an end. The end may or may not measure well, but still might be determined to sound good because that is a subjective determination. I can’t spec out what sounds good to me but I know it when I hear it and measurements probably played some role along the way. Most likely. My recommendation: avoid extreme positions like measurements don’t matter or if it does not measure well it can’t sound good. Good sound is a subjection determination. Learn to use measurements wisely if you are inclined to even care about such things. |
