Hey @kenjit
Answer this:
Are you the master of yourself? Yes or no.
Don’t be a coward. It’s a simple question.
Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?
After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication. Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review. One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products.
Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications. Those are not test measurements.
I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any. Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements. Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred. Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture. Do they have something to hide? I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.
ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions. Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?
Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."
Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.
I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.
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Again you are contradicting yourself. First you said
Then you say
It cant be both. Either ASR group has the capacity to change the industry or it is powerless. Which is it? --- You feel that he is a threat to the industry because ignorance is bliss and you dont want to hear the truth. You are a typical audiophile. I suggest you unplug your silver audio interconnects and throw them away as they are useless. I also suggest you have your TADS measured by ASR group. --- You might be shocked at what he finds. You have been warned. Amir is a master of exposing the truth. A lot of these extremely expensive toys in the hifi market turn out to have abysmal performance. Who are you to get in the way of our work? If you have any counterevidence stop complaining, join the ASR forums and post your evidence. --- Audiophiles deserve the TRUTH and you have no right to interfere.
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Many good points raised here. It’s disappointing that ASR, the primary site on the entire internet that focuses on the science of audio receives so much non science based criticism. The very point of such sites is to try to steer debate away from personal opinion towards scientific facts, isn’t it? Didn’t we get enough opinionated nonsense from a whole host of printed journals and magazines for decades and decades? Isn’t a little more balance something we should welcome and not resent whilst we share our audio experiences with each other? Amir now seems to taken over the mantle as the most attacked man in audio from the late Peter Aczel who was arguing many of the same things over 20 years ago.
Anyway, for some of us it’s good to know that there are still people out there on the side of the consumer in these uncertain times of ever diminishing trust. Archimago’s Musings blogspot is another such site and long may they both continue.
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What good points??! From @kenjit the serf of Amir ? How we hear is based on science. Audio textbooks are based on science. Audio textbooks on the physics of sound is science. Measurements beyond what Amir does is science. Amplifier design and choosing the right kind of solder and design topology is a science. Furthermore, ASR is not science. Human hearing sensitivity is extraordinary...despite the fact that we may not be able to hear as well as moths!! The "opinionated nonsense" you speak of is simply descriptive language. We humans require it in our everyday lives to communicate the differences between things. Just like a food critic, not being able to describe what we are hearing (tasting) leaves everything up for a senseless debate later on. Amir is attacked because he does the same thing on every single last forum he's ever been on! Start pointless debates bent on arguments with no merit, disagree with others, tell others they are wrong, and then share faulty measurements that further prove his inability to understand "audio science." We see all the mistakes and it's rather painful - how we arrived at a set of measurements and the tech behind it is far more important than a standard set of basic measurements... Look inside something like a Sabaj A10h. How much do you think it really cost them to build it?! Ask yourself...Since you believe in saving money and "uncertain times." I'm sorry, the 3rd world will delve in to even more poverty since they keep having 15 kids every 2 months. Impossible I know, but they keep making that happen. Welcome to a world of overpopulation.... In closing...all counter-evidence will be ignored on ASR and the user will be banned, almost immediately. Like I said before, ASR does not welcome 3rd party validation or testing....I think Amir should send his test gear back to Audio Precision as a donation...someone with real chops can use it at home!! |
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