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Opening a can of worms

Here is the can filled with opinions. It's been hashed and rehashed to infinity and beyond with no clear result. Since I am a seeker of truth I'll post my thoughts here for the yea and naysayers to debate over. Question is: Are expensive speaker or any other cable in a system worth the exorbitant cost over a reasonably priced cable loom? I thought I'd  experiment myself to find out. My comparison is between Transparent Ultra cable loom and Blue Jeans cable loom on a pure stereo system comprised of Proceed PAV,  Proceed PDSD,  Krell Kav 250, Musical Fidelity A3cd, Sony Ps4300 TT and B&W 803D2 speakers. All sources were used by this experiment using identical playback material. Cables had in excess of 200 hrs burn time and all were identical in lenght. The only variation were the connector manufacturers.
One change that occurred during this 4 week long endeavor was that I'm firmly seated on the sharpest picket on the fence.
My result is that I'm now a believer that there are audible differences in cables. I also believe that these differences are minute and one has to really listen carefully and for a long time to discern these differences.
Now to the crutch of the matter, $$$$$, As we all know Transparent Cables would reside in the upper tier of Audio Cable expense.  Blue Jeans Cable on the other hand falls into the lowest tier of expense (well maybe not lowest but low nontheless )
One would think then that the Transparent would be far superior to the BJs. Not really! Yes the highs were a little cleaner, mids a little tighter and lows a tad more pronounced but not by as much as one would expect. Soundstage was somewhat more open and airy and depth was somewhat more defined with the higher priced cable but again less than one would expect. 

Now for my personal opinion regarding the cable debate: expensive cable looms are slightly better than reasonable priced looms, if a dollar equals a penny to you then by all means opt for the higher priced loom, if a penny equals a penny don't be ashamed for opting for the best you can do. The differences are so minute that it's not worth going into debt over. BOTH looms sounded superb on my test system and I would be happy with either loom.

Now let the debate begin, just know I'm a fence sitter and not in one camp or the other
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blindjim
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@randy-11
Thanks.

> clique, not click
> maybe call the group CCP (for Cable Clown Posse)

blindjim > auto correct got me there. Sorry.
CCP works. However, Having to spell out posse could be an issue to if not very, very careful. Adding one more ‘C’ opens another bag of annelids.

Gee. That’s gotta qualify as succinct.
I’ll make a footnote of it in my novel’s first volume. I’m trying to be good, but its so difficult dealing with so much ADD and mindless free floating disjointed spam.

To review:
Mix up the wires! It’s better!

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gillatgh OP
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Well now, we certainly got off track. Bickering, insults etc. Is that what this forum is all about? Can'T we just share our own experiences and call it a day? 

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lalitk
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@kosst_amojan,

Now we are down to name calling? 

“cables do sound very, very slightly different, they do not BURN in and you CAN measure them” ~ please provide us some proof with measurements. 


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geoffkait
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kosst_amojan
@lalitk
Are you blind or just stupid? Here’s exactly what I posted just 2 hours ago...

"Just so we’re clear, cables do sound very, very slightly different, they do NOT burn in, and you CAN measure them. Anyone saying different is just lying, scamming, or nuts."

How exactly do you get "they make no difference" out of that rather declarative statement?
My end game is to dispell the snake oil and myths a click of you are obsessed with bringing to the table. I’m here to demand you prove your silly claims with more evidence than "I hear it".

>>>>>To be fair there is - for all intents and purposes - no real difference between the language, "very very slight difference" and "no difference" in the sound. The naysayers say there are no differences OR the differences are too small to matter. You are obviously in the naysayer camp so why all the wiggling and angst? The proponents say the differences are not subtle or are quite large. You were obviously just trying to CYA. Your fake outrage is also transparent, as usual. Obvious one can measure some things, like resistance, and maybe channel separation and SNR, but not emotion, or musicality or soundstage height, things of that nature. Try to keep up with the discussion.
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