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17 of 23 speakers in my studio and home theater systems are internally powered. My studio system is all Genelec and sounds very accurate. I know the best new concert and studio speakers are internally powered there are great technical reasons to design a speaker and an amp synergistically, this concept is much more important to sound quality than the vibration systems we often buy. How can an audiophile justify a vibration system of any sort with this in mind.

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When anything is put in front of a speaker the wave is deflected somehow, when you put something like window louvers or a horn to guide high frequencies the wave is deflected. Many have mentioned "wave guides" and acoustic lenses focusing the sound, well I thought that was a fad 30 years ago because of course waves interact poorly when they are changed and mingled. I understand the kind of filter some speakers put over drivers that look like a grill to break up the waves in a particular way but focusing the wave is never a good thing, we called it near field reflections back when all those speakers were tossed away. Are they back? Has someone discovered how to make waves interact and keep the amplitudes in tact after the focusing? Even the grill on my own 9hs has a high tech symmetrical design to defocus the beryllium tweeters and midrange from sounding to harsh that is done on purpose to smooth (distort) the high frequency I understand that but if the acoustic lens is a guide that focuses the wave there aren't there inevitable problems.

I always think of microphones when I think of speakers, once I was doing sound for a concert with Wynton Marsalis, I was a big fan and very excited to work with him. He told me to put a Sennheiser 421(a large diaphragm dynamic mic) down stage and that's all he said his trio would play into it, they would mix themselves as they got closer and farther from the microphone. Just like Edison did on the first recordings ever. Well as you probably guessed the sound was great. The sound was so good it left an indelible impression about how important phasing was I never forgot.

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Dante is simply a network protocol that is used to send sound through a network cable it great for switching, There is no sound degradation and can connect to anything through Dante Control and Dante Via. Dante is the future.

The one wave guide I have personal experience that clearly stands up and salutes is the one JBL developed for the M2. After that development they started trickling it down to their other speakers. I think it is amazing and here is Frank Filipetti breaking it down (1:15). If you check out Frank’s discography and sample his mixes the "proof" is in the result IMO:

 

@donavabdear ,

 

For you Genelec, the mid is the waveguide for the tweeter and the front is the waveguide for the mid, so we better hope things have gotten better.

Reflections, higher order modes, throat and mouth and edge diffraction, resonances, it is not as easy as it seems.

The answer is the problem still exists, but we have gotten much better at making them, not the least because we have software now (even in the DIY community) that really helps to automate and optimize aspects of the designs so instead of making a 100 revisions or more CNCing plastic, you are now making 5-10 and printing them. How many you need usually comes down to how good your model is of the underlying driver.

Our software like our competitors is a mix of proprietary software and off the shelf generic tools and plug-ins. Obviously can't post that, but I can post stuff out in the "community" that is really good. This reminded me of a interview with Earl Geddes, always as crotchety as ever, but also always interesting. I like the guy, don't get me wrong, but he is like that friend you have that is always cranky :-)

The video is rather apropos, as he mentions active and passive speakers too, though I consider some of this comments outdated. Some however, are not. The most important one is that active speaker design does not magically solve all issues. You need to start first by being a good "passive" or in essence fundamental speaker designer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhe8VfuTg08

 

More relevant to the discussion is his mention of what he considers, and many agree, of the importance of constant directivity to ensure a speaker sounds good in most environments. This is a implementation embodiment of the Toole\Harman research showing smooth off-axis response is important. That does not solve the waveguide issue, it just give credence to why it is important to solve it. Very relevant to the discussion is the use of software for wave guide design. Geddes says that even the DIY S/W, or at least semi open source, does a better job than he was able to do. The software and a comprehensive discussion happened here:

https://www.diyaudio.com/community/threads/acoustic-horn-design-the-easy-way-ath4.338806/